Tranquil Spirit, Northwich, Cheshire, UK - Spirit Communications: International Conflict

Spirit Communications:

International Conflict

Conflict between countries. The need for impartiality and respect. The conflict between Georgia and Russia. Conditions in China.

The group had been discussing the difficulties between Russia and Georgia. One member commented:

Q: Ghandi's philosophy of non-violence was to reach out to the perpetrator at a human level with peaceful resistance. I don't think you could have stopped Nazi Germany by not putting up a resistance, so how do we decide when there is no other way? Which of the two positions do you support, Hai?

Hai: You must adopt skilful means, my friends, so far as this is possible. You must always adopt skilful means. And these skilful means are not adopted in proper measure; people do not adopt skilful means; they do not have their finger on the pulse. They do not respond to situations before these situations escalate out of proportion. Therefore, you in your world, your politicians, especially your diplomats, must become more skilful, must become cleverer, and must become more knowledgeable. It is not about forming alliances with one country against another or with one country in preference to another. It is about reading a situation and finding the way forward as you would find your way forward through rapids in a canoe, yes? You do so skilfully, pragmatically, and you find a way through.

But you in your world, your countries are not even handed. They are not dispassionate, impartial. They have preferences, they have leanings, and they have friends, yes? This is not good when you are trying to resolve conflicts and problems between your different countries. Therefore, it takes someone like the sailors who used to sit on top of the top-most mast of the ship to gain a better view. So your diplomats must do this to gain a better view, a more impartial view, a dispassionate view, to see the truth of things as far as they can, to get a broad perspective upon things and to find a way through, neither favouring one nor the other. It is because you are not forward thinking, not dispassionate, not impartial, not looking ahead at the consequences of things, that causes things to escalate out of proportion. Once things have escalated out of proportion then you may find yourselves in military conflict and suchlike things. And once military conflict is entered into there is no way out that is easy. There will be much bloodshed, much tears, much loss, much grief. It is to be avoided at all costs in so far as this can be done. For it reflects failure when military conflict occurs; it comes about as a failure.

Yet in your world these things will come to pass sometimes. It is inevitable given the evolution of the human species. But it is to be avoided in so far as it can be avoided. When you all respect each other's rights, respect each other's wishes, be prepared to compromise, be prepared to give more than you take, then these things will be avoided at their root, at their source, yes.

Another group member then commented on the situation between Russia and Georgia. Hai said:

Hai: Russia is the big bear, yes? It is the big bear in your world. You do not poke at a bear, no? If you poke at a bear, what will happen? You will get bitten perhaps or clawed. It will not just stand there and let you poke at it. This is what I mean by a pragmatic view. You must find the way forward. You must find the way being guided by the Greater Truth, but the Greater Truth does not necessarily poke fun. It does not assert its correctness. It does not assert its rightness. It finds a way of fulfilling itself without provoking, yes? Can you understand this?

Q: The politicians think that they should have kept a closer eye on Russia.

Hai: All the time your countries interfere with each other in ignorance. If they were less ignorant; if they took the trouble to understand each other, then these things would not come to pass. But it is not about rightness; it is about treating each other correctly. It is about seeing the broad picture, the greater span, the greater truth, and finding how we can arrive there. It is not about asserting limited relative truth.

Q: It's hard to come to terms with that with countries like China who don't even seem to have basic human rights.

Hai: They have come on a long journey, the people of China. You expect too much of them.

Q: That's what they say.

Hai: Therefore you must wait. You must encourage; you must praise where praise is due, but you must encourage rather than using the stick. For they are not as you are; their history is not as you have had. They have their own history, their own background, and their own culture. It is not their way to be democratic in their history or culture. You cannot expect this of them at this point of the proceedings, but democracy will come. Yet is this democracy of which you speak not a relative thing? For you do not have it, even in your own countries. Therefore, someone from a faraway planet would come to you and scoff at your democracy. (Laughs). Yes?

Q: People say that China never does anything voluntarily and only improve things when they know that if they don't they will be penalised by the rest of the world in some way. So one view is that the world does have to keep pushing them all the time. Is that true Hai?

Hai: You must push but not in a critical way. Rather in an encouraging way, in a showing way.

Q: What's the alternative? If you liberalise everything in one go you would have the same thing that happened in Russia in the 1990's.

Hai: You would have chaos. You would have disintegration of society; it must take time. You have seen what has come about in the country you call Iraq? It has been destabilised. This is not to say that what was, was good; not to say that things will not get better. But for the moment it is destabilised.

President Bush's Visit to the UK

It is unusual when Hai starts the session with a ‘lecture’ without a question to prompt him. However, we had not had time to start the questions when, referring to the bombing in Istanbul, (when President Bush was visiting England) he had the following to say:

Hai: We know your earth has been afflicted this day with those who have done harm to others. It is a sadness to us, a great sadness.

Q: Do you think it has been made worse because President Bush is over here?

Hai: Well it has been made worse by the original actions. Not by his presence here today but because of these other actions, which have initiated this. I speak of the waring effort. This waring effort was no way to solve the problem. Unfortunately all the waring efforts add to the furnace of energy, which is unleashed then upon the world.

Q: But it was timed to happen while he was here. So if he had not come would it still have happened?

Hai: It was timed to coincide with his visit to your country, but yet the original spark was already in motion. The original spark had already lit the touch paper. Therefore it was inevitable that there would be problems of this sort, of this nature before too long. They must find reconciliation. You must put the fire out at its source and not where it has spread to.

Q: The government treats demonstrations with derision and treats them as though they don’t matter.

Hai: You must bridge the divide between your countries and between the peoples of your countries and not over rely on your leaders. You must break down the barriers between nation and nation, between people and people. For you all have common cause. There is no this and that, no us and them. We are of one brotherhood, one sisterhood. We are all human beings sharing this earth and sharing the Divine Eternity. We must therefore link with each other. We must hold our hands out to each other in comradeship, in brotherhood. We must embrace each other. We must put aside anything that gets in the way. But above all there must be fairness and justice, which is seen to be done, that this may happen. For there are many good willing souls who would wish to embrace each other. And yet there are others who would see some injustice done unto them from their point of view, from where they stand. And if these injustices are not remedied, if they are not brought to nothing, they will never see the way; they will never embrace each other. Therefore we must bring even handed justice to the world, fairness to the world; that truly people will believe that: "Yes, we are all seen as equals to each other. We are all seen as brothers and sisters to each other of equal standing in our Father’s eyes."

Q: I don’t think that will happen in our lifetime, Hai.

Hai: You must not be pessimistic. You must walk forward in hope, in great hope.

Q: I think we can have hope, but when the world leaders see a solution to the problem which is different to what the majority in the countries want how can we do anything to bring about change?

Hai: You can reach out to them. You must make the weight of your opinion felt, in calmness, in tranquillity, but also with conviction. But yet you must also reach out and establish bridges yourselves between different peoples of the world in order to express your lovingness, your compassionateness for each other that you may create a strong force for good which then may gather momentum and bring about its own remedy. For as strong as these leaders in your world are, as strong as they see themselves, yet they are really leaves in the autumn gale when it comes to the true power of the people. They cannot resist.

Q: The problem with the leaders is that they often see themselves as spiritual people who are right. How does the spirit world view them?

Hai: Yes this is a big part of the problem. You are quite right. For all the ages of your world you have had those who say "God is on my side. We speak for God. We are the hand of God." You had it in your crusader times also yes? The crusaders waged war against Islam and said: "God is on our side. We fly God’s flag. We draw our sword in God’s service." Yes? And then on the other side, the prophets said: "Allah is our God. We speak for God. We put down the infidel; we carry the truth of the word across the world." But yet all the time what they are doing is they are speaking not on part of God but from their own ego.

Therefore, we should have no one saying: "I act for God. I act for my religion." For how can they know this? They speak from arrogance. Those who speak truly from their own religion will not evoke it against their brother or sister. The way of God, the way of Allah, the way of the Divine Essence, the way of the One Mind, is to embrace and to be patient. It is not to wage the war, to draw the sword, no. But you know these people who invoke religion. If there was no religion they would invoke some other "divine", "sacred" thing. They would invoke their patriotism. They would invoke their need to protect their country and so on and so on. And indeed you have some of this now with your present situation anyway, do you not? But all these things are images. They are concepts without validity. There is ultimately no country. There is ultimately no man of any special race, and there is no person of any gender. There is only the One True person within each of you and this One True person is also your sister, your brother.

My friends we must not grow too morose, for we must stay hopeful. We must stay hopeful. For in the midst of hope there is hope. Yet if we give way to despair we dampen the flames of hope. You would agree with me? So we must stay hopeful. We must carry our love out into the world, as you do. But there is merit in trying to influence your world leaders. There is merit in focusing their eyes upon the real nature of the problems of the earth, of your societies and not on its symptoms. You could forget your terrorists if you could solve the base root of the problems; for they would be voices crying in the wilderness. And I do not make any parallel with religious sayings here. I just mean literally they would be voices crying in the dessert with no one to listen to them. There, I have spoken enough I think.

Q: It’s a pity you can’t speak to all the leaders, Hai.

Hai: Ah, I would not suit them. They would say it is just some madman that goes into trance so that some voice can come through him. They would devalue whatever did not go with their way, if they could find a way.

Q: It would show their true colours though wouldn’t it?

Hai: Well, this is part of the problem, that instead of listening openly to what people say to them and reaching a fair judgment, their minds are set and their ears are deaf to alternative ways, yes? They say they listen, but unfortunately they do not listen too well.

Q: When you say that the leaders don’t want to hear, it sound very much like when you talk about the spirits who don’t want to be rescued from the darker realms.

Hai: (Hai smiled). Well I would not wish to make too close a parallel, but I would agree that when we are trying to reach those spirits through the darker realms it is like shouting through a fog and in truth some of your world leaders are embraced by a mighty fog. All of their own making often, of course, like they have some kind of fog generator there. You see they speak of democracy, yes? This democracy is a fine idea. I would heartily recommend it to you, as I’m sure you do to each other. Yes, it would have had much to recommend it in time of ancient Chinese Emperors (laughing), but difficult to bring about in those times of course. But your democracies are a political device. They are a political device that is useful to ensure that sections of community are represented and heard but not to lord it over the other. So this is a good principle. This also makes it necessary to discuss things with each other, to not overrule each other just because you have the power to do so. This is the principle of democracy, I believe, so this is a good principle to abide by.

But yet your leaders turn it into something else. They say: "Ah you have made me a leader and therefore I shall do everything for you whether you want me to or not." (Laughter.) Yes, am I right? So they become the manifestation of your democracy. They become one-man democracy. This is not the way of it, I understand, from the principles involved, from what I understand of your democracy. Because I have never lived in a democracy you understand. I lived in a one-man democracy who did not pretend to be a democracy; an Emperor, in other words. So you must also perhaps remind your leader that he is there to listen, to listen, to act on your behalf. For again this is how I understand your government. They are to act on your behalf, yes? It might be as well to remind them of this sometimes, I think.

Q: Actions are often taken for financial reasons.

Hai: This is not the way of it in principle. We must try to bring people back to this central principle (democracy), which is a worthy principle. (Smiling) And so we have political philosophy night!

Q: We’ll put this on the web and see what we can do.

Hai: Well you can only do what you can do. It will at least give thought to some people to think on what is said and make their own mind up, as we insist must always be the way. They must make their own mind up. We do not want to substitute one-man democracy for another one-man democracy which would be all the worse for being unaccountable since you cannot reach me very easily to lay your hands on me.(Laughter)

Q: I am concerned with how the war could affect relationships with people in America who agreed with the war.

Hai: You also have people in America who do not wish to go down this road. Therefore you can create a bridge with them. You can show your one hearted mindedness, sharing of thoughts with them also as well as people of other countries. This indeed is important. (Smiling). Yes, you could establish Anglo-American government of the dissenters.

Kelly from Florida in the USA asked about the possibility of World Peace and mentioned the work of Sir Harold Clemp

Hai: Yes it is possible for the world to experience world peace; it’s possible. He is right this person whom you speak of; that the earth plane is a plane for learning for evolution, for development, but yet it is also possible that the world will experience peace; peace will come into being. It will not be for some time yet, but yet it is possible that peace will be achieved; that people will learn that there are unproductive ways to resolve your problems; there are unproductive ways to work with people. And therefore they will learn that there are other ways; productive, helpful ways, and skilful, loving ways to bring about a resolution of your problems on this earth. Therefore, there will be an embracing of hearts, an embracing of love, an embracing of compassion to bring about this condition.

Q: Has there ever been peace on this earth?

Hai: No, not on this earth; not on this earth world.

Q: Has there been peace on other worlds?

Hai: On others yes, but yet you must find a way to bring about peace skilfully, in genuineness, in depth with genuineness yes. Because Lopaz has spoken to you of other worlds in the past; worlds where peace has been achieved but at great cost. He spoke to you of a world where he lived once, where all who lived there were under the eye, the eye of surveillance (smiling). Yes? He spoke to you of an environment where people’s behaviour and activities were monitored to the nth degree and therefore because there was control there was peace of a sort. There was a lack of burglary, a lack of crime, a lack of conflict. But this was because of the amount of control in this world; the sophisticated level of control in this world.

But this is spiritual poverty. For if we are constrained to behave ourselves through the gaze of another, through the manipulations of another, it avails us nothing. It speaks nothing of our own thoughts, our own love, our own genuineness, our own ability to bring about a revolution within ourselves. Therefore such a peace, such an order, is contrived. It is contrived to the detriment of the human spirit or its equivalent in these other worlds. Therefore, this was not good, not desirable. It was better to put up with some disorder, some chaos, some lack of discipline, that people may find truly their own way to a genuine love and compassion; a genuine desire for order; where disorder is impossible because of the inspiration, of the drive of the motivation of the people. Do you follow me in this?

Q: Would you classify this imposed peace that you talk of as a dictatorship?

Hai: Well it was in a sense a form of dictatorship and yet it was not in another because it was freely entered into by those who subscribed to it, who promoted it. It was not imposed in this sense, from above. But people became to relay on it, to embrace it as the salvation of their society, as the saviour of their society. Therefore it was no longer necessary to teach their young ones what was right and correct, what was morally impecable and so on, for the controls were such that it was impossible for anyone to do anything wrong without the ‘gaze’ knowing. Your science fiction writers have seen the possibility of this, but they have not witnessed the reality as some have.