Tranquil Spirit, Northwich, Cheshire, UK - Spirit Communications: Spirit Realms

Spirit Communications through Trance Mediumship/Channeling:

Spirit Realms

We have a very great variety of spirit communicators who come through, who have had very varying beliefs and occupations when last on the earth plane. Some also had very privileged lives. Others lived in more humble circumstances. They all have stories to tell from which we can learn. One night we were joined by a spirit who was called John. He had been a blacksmith in his previous earthly life:

John: Ah lass. My name is John. Jonathan is my Sunday name. You not got many here tonight. Beacon not so bright, but bright enough.

(The spirits are always telling us that each time we sit we send up a beacon of light which can be seen in the Spirit World.)

Q: Have you been before?

John: No, I've not been before. Been looking at yer. Oh, I been inviting yer. But I've not talked to yer. I've looked from the side lines. Your group's little tonight.

Q: What did you do while you were an earth John?

John: I was a blacksmith hammering the iron.

Q: Did you enjoy your work?

John: Aye, it had a ring to it. But I enjoyed working the iron.

John explained that he was in touch with his family who were also in the Spirit World.

Q: When you meet with your family in the Spirit World do you get together in a house?

John: Aye we sometimes do, but you know, we do not need these dwellings for coming together, for we could come together anywhere, but we sometimes come together in our dwellings, out of habit, if you like, out of routine, if you like, but we don't need them. But we like to come together, like to come together with other folks too.

Q: Do you all gather together grandchildren and great grandchildren as well?

John: The gathering can change, can vary, depending upon the need at the time. It is not important. The most important thing is the love we have for each other. You don't need to always be gettin together, because you have this love for each other, because you can express it in so many ways, can't you? So you don't need to come together all the time. But we know we are in each others' thoughts and we may connect with each other from time to time and know that we are in each others' thoughts and there is nothing to substitute for this. It's not something your used to in the earth plane of course, but we have this up here. It is a marvelous gift, the knowledge that we are in each others' thoughts.

Q: I am surprised that people might not need each others' presence. It sounds like it could be quite a lonely life at times?

John: I don't know where you're coming from lass. The main thing is that you are in contact with people and you enjoy the contact, enjoy knowing the contact, enjoy experiencing the contact. What's your problem with this lass?

Q: Well you said that there was no need to get together with your family?

John: There is no need. They're not in my mind like some "poppet picking" (?) folk you know. It is just that we know there is the connection. It is like you with your telephones. Though you have your telephones and you can talk to people to your heart's content. But you wouldna dream of saying that well: "I can speak on the telephone so why bother seeing them again". You would not say that would you? And so it is with us. We can have this direct contact in our minds but we also like to experience each other more direct, face to face, so to speak.

Q: Is there an extra warmth within that face to face?

John: Ay, ay, you could say that, because there is a close proximity. There is a close feeling which goes somewhat like your close feeling when you meet someone face to face.

Q: I've heard this before and thought it must be quite lonely if you don't need to see people.

John: But you're not lonely, because you know people are in touch with you and you are in touch with them. So you can't be lonely. You can never be lonely here lass like you can be lonely on your land.

Q: But if you are only in touch with them in thought?

John: Well if you were a prisoner in some prison somewhere on your land you could feel very isolated couldn't yer? You could feel very lonely. Only the jailor to talk to. So you feel very lonely. If you could send out a thought, a thought to someone special and they in their turn are able to return your thought with feelings and thoughts of their own, you would not feel so isolated or lonely then would you lass? And so it with us. You cannot feel lonely here. There is a bond, a connection with all, a bond and connection with those you wish to have a bond and connection with. But there's still the want to get together sometimes, because it is as he ses, you feel a special closeness, a special feeling of closeness, when you're up front with someone.

Q: You would still want to do things with other spirits though, like work with them or go for a walk?

John: Well, within the rules.(Laughter).

Q: Well, what work do you do in the spirit world?

John: Well I don't hammer in the irons for sure. They've got no need of them horses here, though there are horses, but they don't need shoes because the ground is soft. It don't wear the hooves down anyway. Ay, so I don't need me hammer. I miss that sometimes you know, working the hammer. Ye I do miss it sometimes, but I would not trade with what I've got now for going back to work with the hammer. Anyway, even if I where to return to your world now, the chances of me using the hammer would not be too good I suspect.

Q: Do you have any plans to come back to earth?

John: No, not really, but who knows, I might have to in the future, but I ain't got no plans for the moment.

Q: Do people in your world generally accept rebirth?

John: They don't know you know. They don't know. They ain't not sure for they not had experience of it. They can't remember or not had experience of people going to rebirth. They not always sure about it. I know this may sound odd to you, but you see, you come here with your fixed ideas and people make the events around them, their experiences, fit these ideas. It's one of those things you carry forward to the spirit world. There is a lot you leave behind with your earthly ways and your bodies, but with your minds it's different. You create your mental frameworks and you bring them with you here and you try and make things fit into them still, until you learn to let them go. Ay tis like if I were to work the iron on my anvil and create a special shape. It becomes a rigid thing doesn't it? Rigid, hard thing. And so it is with your mind. Sometimes you create a rigid hard thing in your mind with your ideas or your minds, your framework in your mind and that then becomes a prison to ye as sure as the bars of that prison I mentioned a few minutes ago to you.

Ah well, I thing I have outworn my time and I'm going to have to go. I thank you for your time and your company.

Someone in our Home Circle asked the following question about the "Darker Realms":

Q: How few or many souls are in the darker realms?

Hai: There are many, there are many. But these realms are relative also so we could say it is like shades of rainbow in sense. This may sound funny talking about rainbow when talking about darker realms, but if you look at shades of rainbow the shades are gradations are they not, of colours, and colours run into other colours and it is a bit like that with darker realms, like if you could put finger into rainbow and at certain point you would see certain number of people. You look in another grade of rainbow you see another realm of people. So it is like these realms are not graded exactly, but they are dimensions within dimensions, do you understand me? So there are many, but the extent of their depth to which they are in these darker, deeper regions varies enormously.

Q: If people go over to your world with what we feel is an atrocity, but they have done this with the very best of intentions, perhaps for their religion, for God, does that affect where they end up?

Hai: Yes, because they have already ended up where they will end up. You understand me? There is nothing magical that happens at the moment of death. What they have done has already determined where they will be, what they will be. It is what they are which is reflecting what they will be in spirit lands. Therefore, people may do things in good faith, as you say, but even doing things in good faith, the process which has brought them to this decision, reflects an inharmony in their thinking, in their heart, in their compassion. It reflects a weakness, a defect within themselves that they have reached such decisions. So, even "in good faith", the process by which they reached their decision indicates a weakness, a defect which must be corrected, which must be grown out of, which must be transformed. But apart from this, also there are the consequences of their actions. For even if it was possible to say: "Ah, he acted, she acted, in good faith", and we could put aside the matter of intent, even so they would have to make amends, to remedy the wrongs, the pain, the discomfort, the injury which their actions have brought upon others. You understand me?

Q: If someone has committed murder and was in prison for a very long time?

Hai: This has not remedied the harm of their decision. But they may have turned around within their mind, within their heart. This turning around is a massive step in the right direction, a massive transformation sometimes. But the fact of this transformation will also lead them to feel the pain of the harm which they have inflicted on others and would lead them to wish to right wrong, to remedy their actions, to remedy the consequences which they have caused and in some cases these people will deliberately seek out a way to put right, to make amends, to remedy what they have done through service of a particular type perhaps in the spirit world.

Q: Do they remedy that with their victims in the spirit world?

Hai: It may be with their victim, but it may be persons who have undergone similar wrongs to them, pain inflicted upon them. It may also be with souls who commit these wrongs, that these souls try to influence them to make them see aright before they do wrong

Q: Someone has died recently, Myra Hindley, who has caused a lot of harm to others. Will she need to put that right in the spirit world?

Hai: Yes they can continue their actions to put things right.

Q: The conversation has become a bit serious.

Hai: It is serious, but it is hopeful also. There is always hope.

Q: You have talked about the densities of the spirit planes, but in the darker realms is there density there?

Hai: This is another density, another system of energy.

Q: Is it heavier than the earth density?

Hai: No it is not. It is not in this sense. You must be aware that when we speak or when you speak of dense energy we may mean this, understand this, in different ways. Your energy system is more dense in physical sense. It is like if you could spread out the molecules of your body they would be less dense, yes? But if you pull them together in the format you are they are more dense, yes? This is one form of denseness. But if we speak of the denseness of the lower realms we speak of a different matter, a different matter, yes. It is a more focussed, inward looking, inclusive of self energy. It is difficult to explain this to you, but it is like an energy turned on itself. It is as if... I can give you one example. It is as if the energy of the sun radiates out its warmth and light, yes, without distinction, without discrimination, without bias, without prejudice, yes? These concepts themselves are of no significance, no understanding to the sun. It radiates out on all without conjecture, without thought, yes, without hope of return, without any thought of self, yes? In some ways we may liken this to the pure spiritual soul which radiates out their love to all without prejudice, without discrimination and so on, in the way I have just described, yes? But if we were to take this energy of the sun, this energy of the sun was turned within itself, was focused and inverted, turned around upon itself, within itself, the sun would not warm anyone, yes? And so we have something which is approximating what we speak of when we speak of the lower realms and those in the lower realms. Their energy is turned in on themselves and this is not natural; this is not healthy. It is the opposite of loving compassion. You understand?

Spirit communication between different realms:

Q: I was thinking about the different levels of the spirit world and wondering if, whatever level you and Davia are on, would you still be able to communicate with us?

Hai: Yes we may still communicate with you. We are able to transcommunicate accross different levels, different planes of spirit world and your planes also. We are able to bridge the gaps, the dimensions across time and space, in order to reach you. So this not a problem for us.

Q: I just wondered whether, when you reached the top, you would still be able to communicate.

Hai: Reach the top? (Laughter).

Q: Is it the 7th level?

Hai: We have difficulty when we move on to more refined, more nebulous levels, this is true. But, within constraints, we are able to attempt communication with you. I am able on my level to communicate with you and many other dimensions, many other levels, planes. Therefore this not big problem for me.

Q: I wondered whether, even if you are able, you wouldn't get permission to do so?

Hai: No not about permission, not about permission. Tis about conditions, tis about ability, skills, ability to adapt, to refine self, own vibration, to enable engagement with other realms, other spheres, other levels. No policeman waving hand to stop me.

Q: I had thought that perhaps you were not allowed once you had gone so far?

Hai: No, it more to do with level of refinement, rairified condition. This make it more difficult sometimes to return to energy levels of other planes, to operate in energy levels of other planes. Sometimes more difficult.

Q: Is it as much that other spirits may not want to move around so much?

Hai: This true, this true. They are cut off. They are participating in the new realm, in the other more rairified, realm, this is true. And therefore their attention, their interest, is more locked into this realm than on previous realms they may have travelled through. But those who have deep love, deep afinity for other realms from which they have progressed, can more easily retain ability to travel across the dimensions. Like if you retain skill, you develop skill, you keep skill, yes? But if you put your skill to one side you become rusty. It falls out of use, it becomes difficult. It is more in the nature of this. We like to visit you and your realm.

Q: Why is that Hai?

Hai: We have deep karma towards your realm. We have deep attachment towards your realm.

Q: The desire to help?

Hai: Yes and to share.

Mandy from London asked the following questions:

- When infants/babies die do they live on in the spirit world in the same form as when they passed, or do they grow into adults?
- What happens to a baby that dies before it is born eg: miscarriage or via termination? Do they go across to the spirit world or not?

Hai has spoken to us on many occasions about these issues and we have given some extracts from his comments during a number of discussions. In essence he reminds us that first and foremost we are all spiritual beings so the spirit of a baby that dies, from whatever cause and whether still in the womb or not, will go to the Spirit Land. What happens from that point on seems to vary according to the needs of the spirit. Though it can be hard for us, Hai bids us to view these spirits and indeed all spirits from the perspective of a broader love. We perform a time-limited role even for those sons and daughters who are with us throughout a lifetime. However, roles change but love endures throughout all these changes.

Q: At what point does the spirit enter the womb?

Hai: This can vary somewhat. Usually when conception has taken place a spirit will see an opportunity and will link to the feotus, but will not necessarily enter the body at that point, but wait sometime before joining with the physical body. There is no need to join very early, but there is some variation in the actual time when the spirit joins the physical. It is not too important about the actual time and point the spirit joins the physical, because once the spirit has formed a bond with the physical a bond is formed with the natuaral parents also. The actual point which the spirit joins the body is not too important. Its importance can be exagerated. It is important, though, that, once conception has taken place life is viable and new life is starting to form. Therefore, it is important that life is acknowledged as having sanctity. We know that not all life which has been conceived achieves birth in the physical world and there are many reasons for this. People sometimes make difficult decisions. Intent is important, but in principle, once life is conceived it should progress to birth.

Q: Do spirits sometimes enter a body to try out the experience and then leave again possibly to re-enter again later?

Hai: It may be that in the early stages a spirit may enter the embryo and move out later. The bond is still malleable, if you like. It is not fixed. But generally there is no need for spirit to try out the physical body because they would be well aware of what they were entering before they entered.

Q: When does conception actually take place?

Hai: Conception take place when egg meets sperm.

Q: Before it goes into the womb?

Hai: Ah yes.

Q: At what stage would a spirit enter?

Hai: Usually some time after, but once conception takes place a spirit may identify with the egg and the potential for new life.

Q: Is it about seven months before the spirit enters the embryo or earlier?

Hai: It will usually be earlier, but the spirit may come and go a bit while the egg is still developing. But all life is sacred. When conception take place there is potential for life. We must respect this. We must respect this.

Q: It seems then that there is no set time for spirit to enter the womb and in fact it can come and go as it desires?

Hai: Spirit may already have formed a bond with the fertilized egg very early on. There is no fixed point, but as the embryo develops, the association between the spirit and embryo grows stronger and stronger and the potential is there, the potential for a spirit life lived in the human form. When the spirit has embraced the embryo a bond with the mother has formed. This is what I would say to you.

Q: So even if the spirit is not in situ the bond is there anyway?

Hai: Yes. The spirit may enter the womb, may enter the embryo and reside there or it may withraw again, but yet preserve a connection with the embryo and return.

Q: What would happen in the event of a miscarriage? Would the spirit still be attached to the mother, spiritually I mean?

Hai: Well, when there is miscarriage spirit must return to the spirit lands obviously. But after that it depends on a number of things. Sometimes they may stay in spirit lands, for a time at least. Sometimes they will find another body, for they have the need of earthly experience.

Q: Would the spirit foetus continue to develop in the spirit world as would any other child?

Hai: No, not necessarily. For there has been no life experience whatsoever with the case of a miscarriage and the spirit may have need of a life experience. And so, if this is the case, the spirit may well find another body.

Q: I have always believed that women had the right to abort a child if necessary and that men did not have the right to try and prevent this?

Hai: Well, we know you have circumstances. We know you have difficulties. We know you have trials, tribulations, which you face on the earth plane. For we do not judge. But it is something which must not be undertaken lightly.

Q: Would the physical effects of birth have an impact on the spiritual development of a baby?

Hai: All experiences you have while on the earth plane contribute to your development and to your spiritual development. You cannot separate the two. You are of your essence spiritual beings and you have many experiences while on the earth plane. Some of these affect your physical development and growth, but inevitably, they also impact upon your spiritual development and growth. The two cannot be separated.

Q: So would a baby in the womb be affected by the emotional state of the mother?

Hai: This may occur. Because the physical condition of the mother may affect the physical condition of the daughter or the son while in the womb. But you know we have spoken before of the influence of inheritence, of genetics. We put on this cloak of this body and, as part of this experience, we experience the world in a certain way because of the body which we have incarnated into. But when this life is over we put aside our cloak when we return to the spirit land. Some time later we may reincarnate, rebirth, into another body, another cloak. So we put on a new cloak and experience the world in a different way through this cloak till we put it to one side again.

On a recent night the discussion with Hai focused on the realms of the Spirit World, travel between them and the subject of enlightenment. The conversation started with someone asking Hai if he had been busy and what he had been doing:

Hai: We've been busy commuting between realms.

Q: Do you get a calling to go to these realms or do you just go of your own free will?

Hai: Yes there is a schedule. But we may also have unexpected appointments

Q: With these unexpected appointments, if you for some reason you couldn't travel to that particular realm, could you just communicate with your mind or would you have to actually go to the realm?

Hai: We could communicate with mind but it is not as effective as being there. But you are right, we can communicate with mind. But it is something like your own conversation. It is better than that, but still it is not as good as being there.

Q: So all these matters you deal with, is it something personal or is it political, if politics exist in the Spirit World?

Hai: No, it's not political. It can be about matters, matters of concern which need deciding, not just personal matters.

Q: So is it like a Council?

Hai: It is of some similarity to a Council.

Q: Would it be you and others?

Hai: Me and others who would discuss and deliberate over the issue.

Q: So would each of these deliberators have a field of experience or a field of expertise?

Hai: Well, we have a field of expertise which we share. It is not limited to a particular function, but rather it is a function, a skill, an ability which we share in common.

Q: So as well as a Council do you act as an enabler to draw people together to make things happen?

Hai: Yes we may call upon people to come together for particular purposes, who are concerned with these issues, who wish to contribute, who wish to help. We would call upon them to assist with these situations.

Q: Do these situations come about because there isn't a harmony or because there needs to be a change?

Hai: They come about because of varying conditions. They sometimes come about because of changes going on, changes in the vibrational harmony or interchange between the different worlds, the worlds of spirit or the worlds of earth and universe. Therefore we must monitor these vibrational interchanges and make adjustments as is necessary, as is desirable, to regain the balance.

Q: Well that must be a very sensitive issue, because quite often you can make a decision and what comes from that can be many things, as it has a knock on effect down the line.

Hai: Yes, yes, it does indeed. It is like karma, making decision and reaping consequences of that decision. Throwing stone into lake, ripples are endless.

Q: Are there any realms that you can't travel to?

Hai: There are many realms of existence but within these many realms of existence there is only the One Essence which we have spoke of before. Therefore, when we speak of travelling between realms we speak of travelling between one illusion to another for the fundamental basis, the root of all these realms is the One Mind and there can therefore not be any travelling between realms. But we speak of travelling between realms as a way, a means, an expression of expediency. But the realms are not so different for they partake of the One Essence. If you speak of travelling between realms there are no realms where I cannot travel, but this is not the whole story. But I cannot find words to express the fullness of meaning beyond this.

It is like if we think about the mighty ocean as symbolising the One Mind. If we think about how islands, continents may be formed, may be pushed up from the mighty ocean, we may compare these land masses as realms of spirit and we may talk of traveling between these realms of spirit, these land masses, these islands, these continents, yes? We may speak of traveling between them. But there is potential for more land forms, more islands to come out from the sea of the One Mind. Because the creative process is ever creative it knows no limitations. So to speak of travelling between all realms is only a relative affair, for they have no absolute existence, they have no absolute unique fundamental existence. For they are dependent and have their origin in and their essence is at one with the One Mind. But other realms may materialise, so to speak, from within the One Mind, its Essence. Therefore, to speak of traveling between all realms you must be at one with the One Mind. For in this sense alone only can you speak of being a realm traveller of fundamental ability.

Q: I find it interesting that the One Mind is constantly changing, developing and evolving then.

Hai: Nothing stands still but the One Mind is Changeless. It is not developing in its fundamental essence. For in its fundamental essence It is at quietude, at stillness, in the Changeless Now. But in its expression of Itself, in Its manifestation of Itself in the spirit and physical realms, It is ever creative, It is ever manifesting change. It is the great paradox beyond which we must leap to be enlightened.

Q: Perhaps one day.

Hai: One day assuredly. One day assuredly.

Q: Do you think enlightenment will just come purely through experience or just through meditation or a combination of many things?

Hai: It will just come when its ready to come. What you speak of may help it to come, may help the apple to ripen that it be ready to fall from tree. But it come when it come.

Q: So could you literally be maybe in the middle of cooking the tea and suddenly have this revelation?

Hai: Yes.

Q: So from what you said in previous conversations, it would change everything but nothing, Enlightenment?

Hai: It would change your perception of yourself and your perception of your world and your perception of the Essence of things. And is this not something to think on? But we have said before that this is only beginning, only start. For this insight, this awakening, this enlightenment, must then be translated, interpreted, into your everyday life.

Q: I suppose that would be hard because you would have to adjust every way of thinking and the way you do things wouldn't you?

Hai: But fundamental insight help you in this. For if you have fundamental insight you naturally want to change things to be in accordance with it. But still hard work.

Q: Do you think somebody receiving enlightenment might suddenly decide to sell up their home and live an almost nomadic life?

Hai: It is possible but not necessary, for they must live in world still. That has not changed.

Q: Would you know that you had received enlightenment Hai?

Hai: You would know. You would know because it would bring about revolution within your mind and heart. You do not question coldness of stream when you plunge hand into mountain stream in winter.