Tranquil Spirit, Northwich, Cheshire, UK - Spirit Communications: War

Spirit Communications through Trance Mediumship/Channeling:

War

Due to the present troubled conditions in the world it is not surprising that recent visitors have wished to discuss the issue of war with Hai and some of the other spirit communicators. We give below extracts from some of the discussions.

Q: Do soldiers usually end up in the darker realms if they have killed when at war?

Hai: This depends once more on the nature of the situation, nature of how the situation unfolds. This depend on many things. It depends upon their own conscience, of whether they do what is right or not. It depends upon their own conscience. It depends upon why they want to be a soldier in first place. It depends on many things. It depends upon whether they start to enjoy the killing, the having the power to kill, also is a factor. It depends upon whether they choose to kill when they could leave alone. This also a factor.

Q: So if they have been called up and feel they have no choice but to kill the enemy or get killed. Would that go against them?

Hai: Well no, providing they act in good conscience. But you indicate a responsibility which we all have to decide whether such an action, such as going to war, is good, is just. It can never be good of course in the fundamental sense. But whether it is necessary, whether it is justified given the circumstances? But we each must ask our own question here with this. It is not enough to say ‘they called me up’. Tis not enough to say this. We each must bear responsibility for our actions. We cannot point the finger to someone else. We cannot delegate, pass over the responsibility to someone else. They must carry their responsibility, which is a heavier responsibility. For if they order many to their deaths; if they order many to fight; then they must bear responsibility for that authority which they carry with them, with their words, their decisions. But we must each make our decision in good conscience also.

Q: So it would be the leaders who would carry more responsibility when they pass over?

Hai: But I say that each person faces responsibility. For each person has to make decision to pull trigger, yes? But, of course, those who take on responsibility for managing, for organising affairs of this world, must carry a greater burden of responsibility for there are many who follow them. Many follow them without question.

Q: How would Winston Churchill have been accepted in the spirit world? Because, although he was a great leader, he did actually order soldiers to kill the enemy to save our own country?

Hai: Well it was the times you lived in then and we cannot foresee a different outcome to this. Therefore he act in good faith. But with this war that you speak of and with all other wars everyone, and those who have responsibility for the affairs of the world especially so, everyone must put more effort, more undying effort, energy, into finding solutions to grievances, to injustices, to oppressions, that these wars may be avoided. For wars start because of people feeling hard done to, of feeling oppressed, of feeling the underdog, yes? So we must bring about change to these circumstances that people do not feel these things, but feel rather that they have respect of others.

Q: Can you see a time when the wars will stop?

Hai: Yes, there will be a time when wars stop. For, if you think of war, the only logical outcome to war is more war, more unending war, with more sophisticated weapons of war, which you have now available to you. The outcome of this will be the devastation of the earth, if things go on in their present state. Therefore, it is important that your leaders direct their energies and efforts to creating world understanding across all the nations. World respect, world love, across all the nations, for where there is love there will be no war; there can be no war. There can only be respect and love. Therefore, we must put our energies, our efforts into this my friends, not into designing weapons which you have a plenty. 

War with Iraq - These communications came before the war started.

Hai: Your leaders must walk careful road now, at this time. They must step back and withdraw from acting in emotion, in anger. We pray for your world. You must pray. You must send forth your good wishes, your loving wishes to all countries in the world.

Q: Do you think there is any possibility that the other Arab countries will persuade Sadam?

Hai: It may be that they can influence events overall. They are in best position to influence events. They are not being used to full measure. But they are in best position to influence events, both in short and long term. By this you would avoid the "them and us" problem which you encounter, the division between the civilizations, the division between the worlds, the warrior religions.

A spirit who called himself Henry then joined us. The discusion of the war resumed and someone commented that the news had shown all the soldiers going off to the war and the camera had caught a little boy with tears in his eyes.

Henry: This is a problem. You send boats, you send men, soldiers to situation. You have your forces in this situation and it gathers momentum as if to say: "Well, we have them here. What shall we do with them now? What must we do with them now they are here? So we should use them." This is dangerous situation for situation then seems to build up a momentum of its own, a logic of its own. But this is not good.

Q: How can governments choose to go to war when they know that the majority of the people they have been elected by don’t want a war?

Henry: Because this one know best (thumping his chest); this one know best, ha.

Q: Is it fear that makes them act this way?

Henry: They fear what may come if they do not do what they may do. They fear what may come if they do what they do. Therefore they must tread a middle path. They must tread path of love, and forbearance and moderation and understanding.

John who told us he had lived in the United States in his last life came through one night and talked about general strategy:

John: Are any of you folks any good at playing chess? Well you gotta be a mighty good chess player to tackle that foxy old feller Sadam. You gotta be a might good chess player to play with him. But that’s what you folks gotta do. You gotta get him in a kind of stale mate so he ain't got nowhere to move to; but without him feeling hemmed in like a bear with a sore head. Bears with sore heads, unlike the king on the chest table, have a habit of lashing out. But if you can bring him to a sort of quiet stale mate then you will be able to bring some useful way forward into being.

Q: How can we do that?

John: Well I speak to you, but it is your politicians who act for you. They gotta sort of tie him down without going to this war that some of them are so keen on. But they gotta use their influence to bring him to a halt, to leave him with no where else to go. But like I say without him feeling cornered, cause as you know a cornered animal is a vicious animal.

Q: How do you think our leaders can do that?

John: They gotta play chess expertly. So he looks at chess board and thinks: "If I go there and do that, that won't work. If I go there and do that, that won’t work", and so on; "Perhaps I’d better just give them something of what they want".

Q: Won't that make him feel cornered?

John: No, no. If you don’t corner him and he’s standing eye to eye with ye. If he can survey the chess board and realise there is no mileage in trying to move anywhere or going anywhere, then he will come to a stop. Cause he won’t wanna lose power; he won’t wanna loose total face, so he’d sooner stay and keep his power than risk loosing it all. The trouble with them Americans (leaders) is that they're like the bishop, you see.

Q: The bishop moves diagonally?

John: Yes, but he can go from one corner of the board right to the other when there is nothing in his way; he can travel some mighty distance. But what would you say, sir, is his weakness? He’s a point to point kind of character. Like them horses riding point to point; straight line, blinkered vision, yes? Trouble is he’s seeing his own direction all the time; point to point; straight down the line. No vision to the side and everyone can see him coming. Everyone can see him coming.

Q: What should he do; take his blinkers off?

John: Well you see another chess piece, your horse for instance, your knight, now that’s a different kind of person altogether, yes. You never know where that knight's gonna come from, yes? Cause he does two steps to the right, one to the left; two to the left, one to the right; two to the back and one to the side. He leads a merry dance. I don’t know where he’s gonna come from next, yes? So he’s got more versatility than the old bishop. Everyone sees the bishop coming from a mile off.

Q: What would you say Tony Blair was?

John: I think he’s trying to be a queen and I don’t mean no disrespect by that. You see the queen faces all ways at once, yes? Yes he’s trying to face all ways at once. Trouble is that can be mighty confusing. You can get yourself so you trip over your own feet. But I’d say to you that some of these pieces are better than some others. You take the castle for instance. Now I just want to use the castle as a symbol for staying locked behind your doors. You see that’s no use either, staying locked behind your doors. You gotta go out there. You gotta be out there and confront the world; challenge the world when it ain’t doing right. It’s no use staying like a castle behind your door and it’s no use being some kind of porn, some kind of cannon fodder. So it’s like a game of chess with a loving heart behind it; cause you don’t wanna win, you just want a good outcome.

Cythia who we mentioned above also made some reference to the war.

Q: Was there anything in your life which you have reflected on since being in the spirit world that you would like to tell us about?

Cynthia: Well I think it’s important to look ahead. I think it’s important to look over the horizon at what’s coming; for though, as you’ve been told, you can’t predict the future, you can see the trend; you can see the pattern of the future. So it is worth trying to see the pattern, worth trying to see what might be coming over the horizon. So you’ve got to work out: "Well if we keep doing this what will come of it? What’s going to happen to us if we keep doing it this way? Whereas if we do it the other way what would that bring about?" So it’s worth doing this I think, because that way you can try to foresee what might come of your actions and therefore you can temper your actions to bring about something more positive. That’s what I would say, but then you’ve all got to do it. It’s no use just one or two of you doing it; you’ve all got to do it to get somewhere. But I would say it is certainly worth trying to do. For so many folks; they just open their mouth, they just do this or they do that and they don’t think of the consequences of what they’re going to do. So I would say it’s worth thinking about the consequences before the consequences come about.

Q: Do you think that America should think of the consequences of war with Iraq?

Cynthia: I sure do mom. I sure do.

Q: The people are fearful of what might happen if they do not act.

Cynthia: Well you’ve had other speakers along I know and you’ve been talking to them about fear and you know what comes of fear. It’s not healthy to think in a fearful way; it gets you into a lot of trouble. So somehow or other you’ve got to find the loving way. With the loving way comes loving results, sooner or later. It’s not an easy path but you’ve got to do what you can to follow it. In the long term it will produce benefits to you all.

Q: It’s difficult for ordinary people because we all feel so helpless with the Government making the decisions.

Cynthia: Well you’ve got to lift up your hearts in prayer and send out your loving vibrations. If you all do this you will feel the benefit.

Q: Do you think we can influence governments by doing that?

Cynthia: Yes, you sure can, but you’ve got to speak up as well. You’ve got to speak your minds and hearts. If people don’t know what’s in your hearts and minds then they cannot be affected by you to the same extent. So it’s worth saying what you think.

Q: Our P.M. seems to think that all he has to do is to convince the people that Iraq is dangerous and we will all agree with what he is doing.

Cynthia: Well you know it’s like as if you go and paint a particular ball black or something. Paint a particular ball black and that ball sort of sticks in your eyes, sticks in your vision, grabs your attention all the time; but you’re not noticing what all the other balls are up to. It’s like somebody goes and paints that ball and says "Look folks, keep your eye on that ball". And so everybody glues their eyes on that ball that’s been painted but they’re missing what’s going on around them and what the other balls are up to.

Q: Well we will take your advice and do our best.

Cynthia: Well you can only try. It’s not easy I know. But I know this old world's been going for a long time and it’s never been easy to change things. People keep making the same mistakes and writing the same old story once more. You know it might be a good idea if someone could sit down and write a new story.

Q: How can spirit affect the President’s state of mind?

Cynthia: Well, (smiling), we can try and drop a few words in his ear. He can listen you know. He can be a listening man. So we do our best to drop a word or two in his ear to give him something to think about. He puts on this front of being strong, of being sure of himself, of being definite, but he’s not so definite as he makes out.

Q: So could he be swayed if everybody prayed?

Cynthia: He could be swayed if he had the right advice. Well, I’ll go now but I wish you well folks. I wish you a peaceful world. You can still have a peaceful world you know. I would not loose hope. I would not loose positive thinking on this because you’re at a sort of a crunch time in your development on this world. You’re at a crossroads and as with all crossroads there is potential for great love; for great positivity to come about out of all this. But of course you could all go down a road which is not so positive. But let's all pray that your leaders and you all take the positive road at the crossroads. So my friends I’ll wish you well and I wish you goodbye and I wish you much love. Goodbye my friends.

War with Iraq - This is one of the communications which we have received since the war started.

Yocab, (this is the closest we can get to the name that was spoken), said he came from the Middle East, Iraq long ago, when it was part of Ancient Persia. There was some light-hearted chitchat about the countryside where he lived when he was on earth. His message later became very serious and we could feel the pain in his voice. He was eventually asked:

Q: Did you know the hanging gardens of Babylon?

Yocab: I knew the hanging corpses of Ashall...(?)(we couldn't decipher the name of this place); much cruelty sometimes; much cruelty. (Yocab’s voice changed significantly and it became filled with emotion). What is it my friends that gives one person the sense that he has a right to hang people, to kill people. What is it? Why? It is as if one blade of grass cast his power over the whole field of grasses in a field. What logic is there in this my friends, what logic? It is laughable is it not if it was not so fearsome, so cruel; it would be laughable.

Q: Is that how you died?

Yocab: No I was fortunate; but I observed it.

Q: And it saddened you?

Yocab: Yes, yes.

Q: It must have been very traumatic. Did you feel very helpless?

Yocab: Yes, for this one blade of grass enlisted help, support, of thousands of other blades of grass, who were taken in by the pretence of this one blade of grass; that he had a right to do these things and therefore they lorded it over the other thousands of blades of grass which stood equally high in the sun. Oh, my friends, what a humility they will feel when they see their true position, their true stature; when they stand in their nakedness, one blade, one solitary blade by itself.

Q: Did you lose loved ones?

Yocab: Well I lost loved ones, but it was the loss of humanity which crushed my soul, my heart; the loss of humanity.

Q: Have you come to speak to us because of the things that are happening now? (War)

Yocab: Well these things touch me for they are in my home land. Yet I have no bond to these people who live on this earth of my home land at this time, for my kith and kin were long before they. Other civilizations have moved into the territory where I once lived; but yet I feel a connection with these people for they walk the earth which I once walked, the land that I once walked on. Therefore I feel an affinity. But in truth I feel an affinity for all people wherever they are, whatever they are, whatever their circumstances. I feel an affinity for my brothers and sisters. No good will come of this war, this hatred, and this harm. No good can come of doing harm to others but more harm.

You must bear sheaths of flowers as your swords. You must bear water carriers as your shields. You understand me? Love truly wins over hearts. Love truly brings peace. If we give with a pure heart; although there may be some who doubt our intentions at first; if we continue to give with a pure heart they come to know and trust our intentions and the foundations of friendship are established; the foundations of mutual love. Reach out to those who are oppressed my friends. Reach out to all who are oppressed with a helping hand of support. Do not let the single blade of grass promote its lie, its illusion; that others may be taken in and in turn lord it over the weak, the needy. I must leave you now my friends but go forward in great peace my friends.

Davia followed Yocab and explained that Yocab had been very sad about the situation when on the earth plane. He said that Yocab is happy now but had ‘revisited his sadness’ in order to get his message across.

A guest speaker with an American accent came through. Tommy’s voice was full of feeling and it was clear that he felt very sad about the results of war. Nevertheless he had retained his sense of humour, which came through from time to time.

Tommy: Yeah, it’s a great shame, the situation that’s been created. (referring to a previous discussion regarding a current conflict)

Q: Have you lived in America?

Tommy: Yeah I lived in a town in the Civil War. (Tommy’s voice became quite emotional). It was a fearsome time. I looked them brothers in the eye across the field when I fired on them. We could see each other’s eyes because we were that close at times. And you see them fall. At the time you was glad it wasn’t you, but when I reflect upon it from my standpoint now it is a great pain to me. You understand me? Because when you’re on the earth plane; when you’re engaged in your life and you just get on with your life; you do what you think you have to do at the time. But the truth of it is, even if you act in good faith there on that day, you still gotta revisit that day when you come up here. And you revisit that day not as you were then. You revisit it with fresh eyes. And it’s a pain folks, it’s a pain. For the more you are akin to the truth when you come here; the more you are turned to the light; the greater the pain to see what you have participated in. Can you understand that folks?

Q: You were following orders though. It wasn’t your own doing was it?

Tommy: No I did not choose it. I did not wish it. I did not want it. But the truth of the matter is that I was involved in it. I was involved in it and therefore I’ve gotta take my share of the karma for being involved in it, whether I liked it or not. I’ve gotta take my share. You can’t say when you come up here: "I was just following orders." (Smiling). It don’t wash. Even if you try to white wash it, it don’t wash. (Laughter)

Q: So when you went up to spirit, did you have to relive the whole thing again then?

Tommy: I didn’t exactly have to live it sir, but yeah you naturally did. It’s hard to explain it to you if you haven’t sort of been through it before. And you probably have, (referring to the persons other lives), but you won’t remember. But I had to go through it again not because someone said: "Hey son sit down here and throw this tape in and play it to youself." It was more because I became aware of so much when I came up to the spirit world I naturally looked backwards, you see, and in looking backwards I revisited that time and it was a painful thing for me to do, but I had to do it. But you know one good thing out of all this was there were them boys on the other side who were doing a similar kind of thing to me at the same time and they too were watching their lives, watching what had happened, watching while they shot the folks on my side and seeing them fall. So I tell you, when we all came together we just embraced each other with tears in our eyes.

Tommy laughed once, then repeated:

We just embraced each other with tears in our eyes. So you see, in spite of everything, there was a beautiful end to this story. But it don’t excuse the story. You follow me? It don’t excuse the story. But all things in this great creation can be turned around for good. That’s why you’ve gotta have hope like the gentleman (referring to Hai) said to you before. All things can be turned around for good.

I’m being told that I’ve gotta make my way off now (laughing) and I don’t think he’s the kind of gentleman you would refuse. (This aroused a good deal of laughter as we knew he was referring to Davia) So I’ll be on my way. But I would commend you folks what I’ve said and I would hope that you would reflect upon it. I wish you well folks. I wish you well in your difficult life upon this plain.

War in Iraq

Q: Eileen referred to the lives that had been lost in Saudi Arabia through a terrorist attack.

Hai: Yes this breaks our hearts.

Q: Was this the incident you were concerned could happen?

Hai: No we did not think this would happen particularly, but you know there may be other instances because of the feeling which is generated between the peoples of the other countries.

Q: The war does not seem to have solved very much.

Hai: No, war does not solve anything, but creates other wars, other infringements as others see it, which then must be rectified and this therefore is how it goes on. One sees an infringement against their side and does something to respond and then another sees an infringement against their side and so sees a need to respond and so it goes on. There is no understanding in this process. We must create a situation where there is a break brought into this process which will enable true dialogue to occur, true reconciliation to occur to a point where people see each other with human eyes, as human beings who are worthy of love and respect, are truly brothers in spirit. And so therefore there is the motivation, the wish, willingness, to bring about change, to bring about true dialogue, true reconciliation.

Q: The conditions in Iraq seem awful with the sewers breaking down etc.

Hai: Yes, they are possibly going to be worse off than the conditions under which they formerly lived, at least in terms of the day-to-day living standards.

Q: And if they become ill and disabled that will be worse won’t it?

Hai: Yes this is the trouble. What is the use of freedom if you have lost your mother, your sister, your brother, your son or daughter. Will this gift of freedom reconcile you to your loss? I think not.

Q: Do you think Tony Blair will survive all this, Hai?

Hai: No, not in the long run, but what does survive in the long run?

Q: What do you think the main intentions were in war? Was it about oil or religion?

Hai: Well, there is a mixture of motives as always in these situations, a mixture of purposes, a mixture of intents, yes. So there is no easy answer to your question. For as your question implies there is perhaps this desire for wealth, for oil, but there is also truly a desire to bring about freedom. But we would question that even if this intent to bring about freedom is genuine, is the manner in which it is accomplished appropriate? Is it of good means, of good purpose? Because it may create other problems in its wake. It may cause other conditions to arise.

Therefore, as we have said in the past it would have been better if the help had been enlisted of those countries who share a common culture, common language, common religion with this place called Iraq, to work with them in long term, even though it would take longer to bring about change in conditions, change in circumstances of these people of Iraq. You cannot create freedom like you can pour milk into a jug. This does not work. It is a more subtle process than this, is it not? It is difficult process. It is educational process. It is a process, which requires desire from within, not imposition from without.

Q: The problem though with trying to change it from within is the danger that would bring those who want to change.

Hai: This is true. This is true. But I would say again, if you create freedom with force then you create something on top of your freedom. You create other problems, which you must wrestle with, which you must reconcile in some way. There have been many dictators, many tyrants down the ages. They have generally got their come upance when they have reached out, they have expanded the realms of their empire. They have gone beyond their own borders and have been brought to task by other nations. This Iraq is a difficult situation, but it was better to leave the chemicals to bubble away for the right occasion, for the seeds of revolution, of change, were bubbling away.

Q: So do you think it would have happened anyway?

Hai: Yes it would have happened anyway. Because you have come from outside to bring something to the inside you have brought not only freedom you have brought your occupying forces, you have brought your culture, you have brought your agendas, or agendas as perceived by others perhaps. But whether they are right or wrong their perceptions will create consequences, will serve as if their perceptions are correct, are just, are true. Therefore you have now created a lot of baggage for yourselves because of this route, this map that has been chosen. And now this must be put right, must be rectified. It is important to withdraw from this position as soon as possible less the sore begins to fester.

Q: Could the world leaders not have foreseen all this?

Hai: Well the trouble is that people may foresee certain things yet they do not foresee other things. And even if they foresee them they think: "Ah well, we have to do it anyway."

Q: They haven’t found any weapons of mass destruction yet.

Hai: No, he big bluffer. He’s a good poker player this Saddam Hussain. He’s like emperor of China without the armies. He thinks himself like an emperor of China; act like emperor of China, yet there is nothing behind the silk.

Q: Why did he behave as though he had things to hide?

Hai: The game of poker it is not best served by saying to the other person: "I do not have any aces, I do not have any kings, and I do not have any queens." You see my point?