The topic of enlightenment comes up on a regular basis. Sometimes Hai initiates further discussion on this subject, but often visitors have their own particular questions about it. Regular visitors often have an on-going discussion of enlightenment which they pick up again when they next talk to Hai.
Q: Is enlightenment given or is it reached?
Hai: Enlightenment is your condition already, Peter. You have only to realise it.
Q: So it's got to be reached?
Another member of the group commented:
Q: It cannot be something to be reached if it is there already.
Hai: Just so.
There was some banter about John having to go to the back of the line (after us) and Hai further responded with:
Hai: It is a queue or line in which everyone already is at first place, (smiling), but who will open their eyes first? Enlightenment is like the lotus flower that opens and reveals its heart, its essence.
One member of our group asked Hai if he would wish her father, who is in the spirit world, a happy birthday. Hai agreed and added:
Hai: So you must wish me a happy birthday also for it is my birthday today. I am many hundreds of years now but you would never think it to look at me. (Laughs)
Q: What year where you actually born in?
Hai: 753.
Q: Do you actually celebrate your birthdays?
Hai: Yes we do. We gather together and have parties. Which birthdays are we taking about? The birthday when you are born into the physical plane or the birthday when you depart the physical plane. (smiles) We have birthdays for many different things. (laughs) Good excuse for parties.
Q: And when it is the birthday of your birth on earth, do you get together with the people who you were with on the earth
Hai: Sometimes, yes. It depends whether you have maintained a connection, the relationship with them. Things change. Not everyone can be present. Some people have moved on back to earth plane or have moved to other planes; therefore, it is a meeting of the available. (Laughs).
Q: How old are you since your creation?
Hai: It does not make much sense to count all these lives, Andrew, for there has been so much coming and going over the ages. I lived in animal form first and most of you have also; for we are all one consciousness, one sentience, one commonality. But in human form I am many thousands of years old - many thousands.
Q: Did it take a lot of lives before you reached enlightenment?
Hai: Yes - yes because the mind is ever fickle. The mind is ever like the honeybee, flying from flower to flower, from one distraction to the next, from one enticement to the next. It does not centre itself willingly, does not settle itself willingly and to reach enlightenment it must be centred and settled. It must see beyond and through the illusions of life, the changing panorama before its eyes to see the Changelessness within and beyond all the phenomena. And when it sees That it cannot but help laugh and smile. It is like; it is hard to describe; but it is like someone who had banged a vast bell of enormous size and the ringing penetrates all of existence. And when you have had enlightenment, you can hear and feel the great bell (voice changes to almost a whisper) the great toll resonate throughout all existence; you feel it as you know it and you laugh, (laughs loudly) you laugh and smile for all the pain and suffering are but illusion, are but magic tricks. There is Changelessness - there is great security - within the all-embracing One Mind, the One Mind, which you are all part of, the One Mind, which you are all of.
Q: Is that what enlightenment means, we are all light and worry free?
Hai: You see through all the illusions Helen. You see through all the manifestations to the Heart of Life, to the Essence of Life. And more than you see it, you know it, you feel it. You have a saying, "You feel it in your bones," yes? But I tell you, you feel it in every pore of your skin, in every corpuscle of your blood; you know it, you live it, are it, the enlightenment.
Q: Have any of us here been around as long as you Hai?
Hai: Yes some of you have been around as long as I've been around. You like the part of the honeybee too much, to fly from flower to flower.