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Spirit Communications:

Science and Technology

The emergence of philosophical science

Someone attending a group had been watching a TV programme about how some scientists had been broadening their approach to what might be termed philosophical science

Q: There are now theoretical scientists who actually expand the boundaries of thought beyond what is provable and their attempt is almost to philosophise ideas even though there's no proof for them which is interesting as science has always tried to prove repeatable experiments. The fact that they are looking at different ways of thinking now suggests that there is possibly a window opening for progress. Does the spirit world have anything to do with this kind of influence or is it just a development?

Hai: Your minds unfold and explore new boundaries; to put aside the boundaries indeed for you to explore new realms of being and new dimensions. For your ideas both liberate you and constrain; you can see this my friend? For the idea which can give you insight is also the idea which can be your prison bars.

Therefore it is important to use ideas to help you to advance your understanding and knowledge but to be aware that these are limited concepts, limited ideas, constraining ideas also. Therefore it is important to be prepared to put these to one side that you may explore new boundaries, new horizons without limitation; yet always knowing the new ideas that will arise in this way will have constraints of their own. So you are in a constant dilemma, but in moving through the cycle of this dilemma you advance your understanding, your boundaries, broadening the boundaries that contain you.

These things can therefore help, can be developed when humankind has reached the stage of development which you have reached. There is no magic in this. You will understand that when your forefathers lived in their caves and had to struggle to survive, all their efforts, time and energy were constrained by these limitations; by mere survival; the requirements of survival. And as your civilisations grew and developed and unfolded you had more time, more capacity, more ability to create new disciplines, new ways of living, new forms of activity which enabled you then to develop specialisms which in turn could develop forms, inventions, crafts, techniques and so on which could help you, be of benefit to your life.

This cycle has continued onwards through the ages. Knowledge is passed on from one generation to the next. Each generation stands on the shoulders of the previous one and knowledge is advanced accordingly. What is known is known, what is not known can be explored with each new generation. It's not that each generation is more clever than the previous generation. They stand on the shoulders of the previous generation without which they would know nothing. Therefore they are able in this way to extend the boundaries of their knowledge, to advance their knowledge in new ways, new dimensions. And so we have this process, this ever going process carrying on in your lifetimes also.

And therefore your scientists are able to engage in philosophical science, to extend boundaries yet further and this will continue for some time.

Stuart from the UK asked if there was any truth in the idea of "Chemtrails"

This apparently refers to the idea that chemicals could be sprayed over a population as an aid to control. Eileen read out the question and then asked:

Q: Is there any truth in that Hai? Do you know?

Hai: No not at this present time. But there are your scientists that are attempting to find such things.

Q: Do they transmit certain frequencies to do those things?

Hai: No but yet there are those who seek such solutions. There are those amongst you who are dangerous souls, some would say "evil". We would not use that word, but at the very least misguided, who rationalise their motivations by believing that if they can control the excesses of humanity they will be doing humanity a service. Yet in truth their very seeking is part of the excess of humanity. Therefore they do humanity a great disservice. But there are those among you who believe that it is possible to "control the masses", as they put it and to refer to "the masses" is in itself a dehumanisation of humanity. To see things in this way is abhorrence for there are only the myriad individuals upon this earth; there are not "the masses". Therefore that they try to portray it as a service to avoid humanity's excesses to itself and to the planet is a disservice to humanity. But this will not do, this will "not wash" as you say. And such a seeking is born of arrogance, of egotistical arrogance. There is no solution in this.

There was some discussion between group members and Hai followed with:

Hai: Yes they study such things as ants, to understand how such mechanisms may work, may be adapted. The Oneness of humanity must be hard won through humanity's own choices, through the choices of each and every individual on the planet. It must be hard won through this process of, how you would say, (smiling) "buying in" yes, "buying in" to the One Consciousness.

Q: Is man capable of doing that?

Hai: Yes, yes. (Hai's voice dropped to a whisper). This is the way. This is the hope for the future and it is by seeking freedom from the crowd consciousness by which this one positive constructive consciousness will come about. In part what your scientists attempt has already been accomplished on a daily basis through your own efforts, when you subscribe to a crowd consciousness, when you subscribe to "us" (meaning one group in particular) in contradiction, in contradistinction to "them", yes? When you identify with one group, seeing another group as radically different, this in part is subscribing to a crowd consciousness, which is not productive, which is not helpful. You must keep a strong reign on your governments. Remember that they are horses pulling the cart for you, serving you, but you must keep a strong reign, a strong harness on them, less they run out of control.(Laughs).

Cloning

Hai was in one of his playful moods and when he was asked the question below about cloning. Before giving us his serious answer he decided to have some fun.

Q: Where does the spirit go in a case of cloning because I know there cannot be a double spirit?

Hai: You must not think this. You must not be sure of this. (Laughs). Davia is experimenting, working with our scientists (laughs again) to try to produce myriad clones of him because he can see advantages in this for him. For it will be a case of many hands make light work or many clones make light work. He will be able to instil his spirit in all of them so that he will be able to sit back quietly doing nothing while they all work for him.

We were all a little surprised by Hai's response so the group remained silent. Hai responded:

Hai: You are all so serious. What is it you ask of this, Caroline?

Q: I was just intrigued because if a spirit gets assigned to a body, if that body then gets cloned will there be a different spirit?

Hai: All matter is spiritual. All matter is spiritual and all matter is of the spiritual essence. Therefore consciousness is in all matter, all physical form. Therefore, though you are not at the point where this is a possibility in human form, but if you should become at that point where this is a possibility, you must know that it is the same as is the case with all human life; that spirit will see an opportunity to take up a temple of residence in the form which you create. But remember that you do not create form yourselves for you do not create from nothing. You do not create without material. Yet if you do facilitate a human form this will be a residence of spirit. We caution again though from experimenting too far with something for you must be ready to deal with the consequences of what you create. You must first be ready to deal with the difficulties of what you create. You have already created many things in your institutions, which you are ill prepared for, which you cannot manage well. Therefore you must be careful of what you create and must deal with the consequences, the moral dilemmas, the difficulties that come in its wake.

Q: Is there a plan for mankind or do we just stumble along until we find the path?

Hai: You ask a difficult question, a reasonable question but also a difficult one, Paul. For the truth is that you are here to stumble along the path because by stumbling along you discover yourselves and discover your path indeed through your stumbling. And so although there is a grand design in terms of the energy which we would see upon the earth, an energy of love and compassion, yet the detail of the path, the detail of the map is open to you to plot and you must discover it though a process of divination, through a process of discovery, of stumbling, yes. And this in itself is of a divine origin this process of stumbling. But we must hope that you do not stump your toe too many times on the rocks as you go.

Electro-Magnetic Therapy:

Q: I have heard of a particular therapy where magnets are used to promote health. Does this do anything or is it just another case of it helping if the mind believes it will help.

Hai: The body is magnetic in energy nature. If it possible to affect, some times, some parts of the electrical magnetic system of body, this may be of some benefit. But you must know what you are doing. Not many on your plane understand the energy systems of body yet. Do not understand full nature of electrical magnetic condition of body. Therefore this therapy still limited because of ignorance, because of low knowledge of people who practice this therapy.

Q: Could what we know now actually cause harm to people?

Hai: It is not likely to do much damage. Not likely to do much good either. Early days, but there is a future in this long term.

Q: They sometimes seem to put them on acupuncture ponts. Is this some benefit?

Hai: Some benefit.