Tranquil Spirit, Northwich, Cheshire, UK - Spirit Communications: Death

Spirit Communications:

Death

Death

One night someone in the group had asked Hai about a relative who'd just passed to the spirit world. Hai answered the person's question then said the following.

Hai: You must remember that this occurrence, this thing that you call death, this transition, is like a ball you bounce on a wall and it returns to the centre, to the thrower. And so she has bounced on the wall and returned. The duration of the bounce sometimes is slower, sometimes it is faster, shorter in duration, but we all bounce on the wall of life and return. The ball was not thrown way out into the wilderness, it was thrown against the wall that it may rebound and return, yes. So remember this my friends, (smiles) some of you are on the rebound now - but it is nothing to worry about, (laughs), nothing to worry about. For it is the nature of the ball to rebound on the wall is it not? This may be of help to some if you put this little parable on your web.

Someone in the group who was amused by Hai's choice of phrase commented:

Q: Notice the diplomacy. Hai says some of us are on the rebound.

Davia was obviously talking to Hai in the background. As usual he couldn't resist a joke. Hai smiled and told us what Davia was saying to him. He said:

Hai: Davia says, "The lucky ones that is - for there are some yet who are bouncing on the wall."

On the Threshold of the Spirit World

Q: It is said that, as you die, you go through a tunnel and towards a light, but I have heard some people say that there is no tunnel; it is just another vibration. Once you leave your body you go into the next vibration rather than into a tunnel, which implies something physical.

Hai: Sometimes this tunnel represents the medium through which this change occurs. It does not happen in every instance; but it is symptomatic; it is an occurrence sometimes; with the transition from one world to the next. So, it may be that you will experience it. This may be so.

Q: Is it dependent on how much knowledge you gain here?

Hai: The time is not important for it is an experience; an intermitent transient experience between our worlds. It is of no great significance. What is important is the world, the life to which you move on into; beyond your experience of the tunnel. For the tunnel may or may not be an experience in your transition to the other world. But you speak of knowledge and indeed knowledge is important when it comes to where we will be; what will be our condition in the other world, the next world, the spirit world. For we are drawn to those events, to those scenes, to those conditions to which we are attracted because of our own development, because of the stage which we have reached in our development . We seek out, unconsciously perhaps; but we seek out those conditions, those surroundings in the spirit world, which are in harmony with our own thought patterns.

Another group member commented:

My future son-in-law went skiing this week and he was knocked unconscious and when he came round he said he'd been somewhere. It felt lovely. Everyone was in harmony and everyone was busy working. There was this wonderful feeling of harmony. And he was actually only out for 15 seconds, but he felt it was a lot longer. Had he actually experienced the spirit world?

Hai: Yes he had linked to the spirit world. This is true what he says: that there are many of us going about our business, going about our endeavours, our work, our vocation in the spirit world. Yet we are conscious of the interplay between these endeavours, between these activities, between these vocations. We are conscious of the interplay and conscious of the way in which these various endeavours link and unfold together, work in harmony with each other. It is as if these vocations have a life of their own, but have a life which intermingles and interpenetrates with that of the other and works all for the common good; for the overall plan of welfare.

Q: Does an experience like that help the person who receives it when they come back?

Hai: In so far as it stays with them. In so far as they think on it, that it may have some lasting impact. But as with all experiences, if we do not think on it, if we do not dwell on it to a point, then it will not have any lasting impact. It will fade with time as all memories fade with time.

Coincidentally another spirit also referred to the "threshold experience". She told us her name was Cynthia and that she lived in Chicago around 1920.

Q: Did you go through a dark tunnel when you went to the spirit world Cynthia?

Cynthia: It was quite a light tunnel as I recollect.

Q: We hear of people going through dark tunnels in the near death experiences.

Cynthia: Well that depends on whether you focus on the dark tunnel or the light at the end. 

Transition after Death

Q: When we go from the earth dimension to your dimension is it possible to get lost or are we always met by someone?

Hai: No, you are always met. Sometimes people are briefly on their own as they feel, but there is sombody ready and waiting to come and guide you, to meet you. You should have no worry on that.

Q: Are you always with the people you loved on the earth plane?

Hai: "Always" is a long time. But you will be able to meet up again with those with whom you have the bond of love. The bond of love, I have said before, cuts across all barriers, all barriers of time and space, and the barriers between the two worlds. I use "two worlds" here in a simple sense to convey the meaning, but you understand what I mean? The bond of love cuts accross all barriers. But if you ask: "Are you with those you love for all time", in the sense in which you use time here, then this is not the case, because there is ever change, there is movement. There comes a time for instance when our loved ones must move forward, into other realms for instance, and we would not wish to hold them back. Sometimes they do hold themselves back because of the attachment that they have for those whom they love. But change occurs even in our world, though the time scales as you would understand them are much greater. The important thing is the love that we have for each other. This love is a strong bond and carries on infinitely. While we have this bond of love we can never really feel separated from those we love. You should be aware though also, like I've said, your present life is like the blink of an eye. You have many others whom you have loved, whom you have a strong bond of love with, who you do not remember, who you have had lives with in the past, whom you have known in the past. And your love for these people was as great as the love you have had for anyone in your present lifetime. So you view you situation from your present vantage point. But ,as I said before, your present vantage point is unable to take in the wider picture. 

Babies Who Die before Birth

A member of one of our Psychic Development Groups told Hai about a dream she'd had about a baby. Hai confirmed that the person had lost a baby before birth. He gave her some personal information and added that he thought that a relative was simply letting her know that she has cared for it. He then went on:

Hai: My friend, you know we send our love to everyone, to all of you, to all of human kind. There is no deeper love than the love of a mother for its child, yes, a beautiful love. But for all the children whom you have borne as mothers, all the children whom you have cared for as fathers, you must remember that you are guardians, you are guardians for a while, for a time, for this soul. But these souls pass through your care. For they are themselves, who they are, and they must walk on. So we are given a divine charge to act as their guardians for a portion of time and then we must let them go on.

You experience this with your own children while still on the earth plane: that you must let them go on, to move on, to walk on. For you cannot keep them to your apron strings all the time. You cannot keep them to your side all the time. They would not grow and this would not be in the desired nature of things. Therefore when you lose a baby, when you lose a soul, when you lose a loved child, a loved sister, brother and so on, when they are grown up even, you must be thankful that you have known them and they have known you. You must be thankful that you have contributed to their life while on this plane and they to yours, but you must let go of the fingertips in love knowing that those fingertips will join again at some time in the future. But in the meantime they must have their own path to walk. So we must let go with peace, with thankfulness, for they are who they are, thankful that they are able to go on being who they are and safe in the knowledge of our Eternal Nature, our Eternal loveliness and safe in knowledge of our fundamental unity in love.

I say this because there are some who hang on to the baby whom they have lost and this can be a great sadness to some, because they feel their life is never complete afterwards, because they think about what may have been. They think about their baby who is in the Summerland. But yet this is not the way of it. This is not the healthy way to view things. For that child may have needed that brief experience in the womb or of the physical life and then may need to move on. So we should not think that because a child has died, has not been born from the womb that things have necessarily gone wrong all the time. It may be that the experience was given to us to deepen us, to deepen our love, and the child which may have been in the physical world has given us this gift. Do you follow me? And this I know is none of it easy, but yet it is given in love and the essence of this is love. So you see it comes back to the fundamental principle of life: non-attachment and walking on. This is the healthy way to live; to be in this world, in all worlds for that matter; non-attached and to walk on in love and hope.

Clairvoyant Predictions of Death

Q: If a clairvoyant predicts someone’s demise could that be a fact?

Hai: Well it might be a fact. It might be that they pick up the approximate duration of this person's life and their demise. But we must be careful not to hang on the words of psychics, because as many psychics can get it wrong as get it right. This is not a useful occupation to speculate on the duration of a lifetime. It’s not helpful to anyone. Therefore you create another ruler, yes. The person thinks: "Oh, I have good long time left." Years pass and he thinks: "Oh it’s getting nearer." The mind becomes preoccupied by the message given. So they get to sixty and they are in state of nervous agitation. Then when they are eighty and think back to their sixtieth birthday they think: "Oh, they got it wrong." But every year that has passed between sixty and eighty they think: "Oh, he may have been out a bit, is this year the year?" This is not helpful. This is destructive most times. It is of no consequence. Whether we live for a day or a hundred thousand days is of no consequence. If we can but truly live for one day, a lifetime’s work is well done.

Death

A circle member had detected Eileen's guide in the room and asked:

Q: Is Red Cloud in the room, Isleen?

Isleen: Yes he is over by you. He is grinning at you. He has his tomahawk in his belt. (This has become somewhat of a circle joke because the particular member involved has often commented that Red Cloud's strong energy sometimes has an unnerving affect on him).Grey Wolf is also here. (Grey Wolf is the guide of another circle member and Eileen commented that it was a pity that she couldn't be here tonight because she had attended a funeral out of the country.)

Isleen: Grey Wolf is saying: "No sadness, a star is born!" Hope, trust and positivity like Hai was saying to you, even within death, even for those of you who stay this side, those of you who have not bought Davia's ticket yet. (The reference to the ticket is another joke the circle members have with Davia). Even for those of you who stay this side, when letting go of a loved one, still hold onto hope and positivity.

Q: Why do we deal with death so poorly?

Isleen: Because we distort its meaning. We do not see its full meaning and richness. We build it into something it is not. It is merely a transition, a crossing over of a bridge like you cross many bridges during your earth life and you do not see them as so significant. But with this bridge you see it as very significant. And truly it is just a continuation, another journey, a moving on. But your faith dims you see, does it not? While you speak to me now you may feel more convinced of the Spirit Land. But you go away and in your moments of darkness, of depression, you doubt, you cast doubt on yourself and wonder.

Q: I'm like WB, a natural sceptic.

Isleen: True, WB knows you for it. (Smiling). WB learnt the error of his ways (Laughing), but it is natural sometimes to doubt. It is the condition.

Q: Also surely it is right to question as well?

Isleen: Yes it is right to question, my friend. It is truly right to question. But you know in your heart what is truly right, what is truly correct, what is truly real. So hold on to that inner knowledge, that inner circle of truth and the mental questions about life are not important in the final analysis. Whether you wonder about life and death and whether there is life after death. Whether there is meaning. What the meaning is in life? What is the nature of Being? The answer to all these questions is Vast Beingness; Vast Beingness, where these questions are lost in the deep pool of certainty.

Q: Isleen, you are sounding like Hai now.

Isleen: (Isleen Smiles). I am a good student. But it is like you could cast all your questions and all your doubts into a vast pool of such Great Clarity they will all disappear and melt away. Yet the Great Clarity would still be there. The knowing would still be there. The Being would still be there.

Do All Survive After Death?

Q: Do all or just certain people continue in consciousness after death, and if it is certain people, how are they chosen?

Hai: (Smiling) The question, Jane, is whether all people are conscious before death. (Laughter). This is the problem unfortunately. In fact there are many people who are not conscious before death. They are automatons, yes? They go on like a clockwork toy unfortunately. But we must take charge of our lives. We must reflect, we must monitor, we must direct, choose our own pattern of living. And yet a lot of people unfortunately do not direct their own lives. They do not take responsibility. Therefore they live out their lives mindlessly. You understand me? This does not answer your question I know, but it is an important point anyway, yes? Why would you think some would not be conscious after death and some would be conscious after death?

Jane: Well I was concerned that if someone had an accident, became unconscious and died quickly, would their consciousness stop working altogether?

Hai: I understand you, but this is a matter of a physical body. It might be that people as you say are unconscious in the moment of transition to the spirit plane, but it is only in the moment of transition. For when they awaken in the spiritual land they are there conscious in thought. There are some who may be needy of a period of time of recuperation, to adjust to the transition, the change in themselves and their environment, but this does not mean that they are not fully conscious afterwards. It is a momentary thing this loss of consciousness, loss of awareness. There are those who pass and are fully conscious of their transition, their journey to the spirit lands. There are others who are not really conscious of this transition at the time of transition but come to recognise it, to understand it on their arrival.

What you speak of refers more to the physical plane, the physical body, where people may well be unconscious in their physical selves at the moment of death and also have a lack of awareness of their transition during the time of transition. Does this answer your question Jane?

Jane: Yes thank you.

Jane went on to say she no longer fears death.

Hai: Yes, you are right. There is nothing to fear in death. It is just like going through a door, a door from one room of your house to another room of your house. It is as natural as that, as painless as that, as normal as that — and the room on the other side is pretty; it is nicely decorated.