Tranquil Spirit, Northwich, Cheshire, UK - Spirit Communications: Pain/Suffering

Spirit Communications:

Pain/Suffering

Pain and Suffering

Q: Why is there so much suffering in the world and will it ever be completely eradicated?

Hai: Yet it is the nature of this world, of suffering to exist, for in suffering there is the salt, which refines the taste of life. For without suffering there would be no growth, no unfoldment, or fulfilment. This is hard to see and understand yet it is true that without suffering there would be no test, no growth, no fulfilment. Therefore you have willingly come to this earth plane my child to experience this suffering, to struggle with it with your mind and heart and try to make sense of it, to transcend it.

Q: If we are all God why would we create suffering?

Hai: Who said we were all God?

Q: Well we are all one aren't we?

Hai: What is this oneness? If you start from the premise of a concept you will never know it. You see and experience the Godhead, the Now, the Oneness, the One Mind and all answers will be given. You will never solve this riddle with your human mind this issue of suffering and pain. You will never solve it with your human mind, your rational mind. You must leap the chasm like the tiger that leapt the chasm across the mighty river and you will see the light of enlightenment.

Q: Is there no pain in the spirit world?

Hai: We feel the pain of your lives, the pain of your discomfort. There is no pain as such in the spirit lands, in those lands, which we frequent anyway. There are those who have chosen other paths and other lands in spirit and they suffer mightily, more so than you suffer here, but that is of their own doing, their own path which they've taken. But we seek them out. We seek them to turn them about to bring them to the light.

Q: Do the spirits on the planes, which you visit, do they reincarnate to this world?

Hai: Yes.

Q: Why would they willingly do that when there is so much suffering here?

Hai: This I have already answered for you for they seek the growth which the test of suffering may bring and knowing that it is transient, knowing that it is but a passing cloud in the bright blue sky.

Q: A book I read recently said something about duality. So you say that without suffering we can't grow, therefore there is no happiness so that's creating a duality isn't it?

Hai: We said that we know happiness because we know unhappiness and we know unhappiness because of happiness. But I would tell you that in the spirit land you will know happiness. Happiness will also be yours here if you can learn the peace, which comes from the focusing upon your inner heart, your inner centre, your own inner completeness.

Q: People say that we can create hell or heaven on earth so wouldn't that suggest that you create……

Hai: It is true that you create your own inner reality with your thoughts by your negative or positive thoughts or by your more moderate thoughts. The reality lays somewhere between the two extremes of your negative and positive thinking, your overoptimistic thinking. There is a middle way, a middle path that the Buddha taught. This is the way to see reality, the essence of all things. Neither to put on rosy spectacles, neither to put on glasses made of pitched black but rather to try to clear your vision to see things as they truly are.

When you look at a flower in all its beauty; when you are at one with that flower without analysing it without criticising it without judging it without evaluating it because you are merely at one with it, then this is the experience of the Now. This is the experience of Reality.

Q: Do we hurt the horses when we ride them?

Hai: Why should you think this?

Q: Because we have to kick them to get them started.

Hai: If they are lazy they need encouragement like human beings need encouragement. A horse also has things to learn while on this earth plane.

Q: Do they choose to be horses?

Hai: Yes. They are horses that enjoy the experience of being a horse.

Q: So it doesn't hurt?

Hai: You should not think of this. So you show them love.

Q: Does it hurt the flowers when they are picked?

Hai: Flowers give themselves freely to be picked. They give themselves up for your enjoyment, for your upliftment.

Q: Do they feel pain, though?

Hai: Experience the pain of giving themselves in love.

Q: Wouldn't it make sense to not pick them because that would stop their suffering?

Hai: They would then not enjoy their time with you.

Q: I don't understand.

Hai: The nature of a flower is to be admired and to be loved, to be gazed upon, to have its beauty recognised, therefore it is natural that these flowers will be picked. You should pick in moderation to allow plenty to continue to exist in the field.

Q: Is that like humans are told, to give without expectation? Flowers give love without expectation.

Hai: Yes you should give without expectation. You give without expectation yet you are open to all possibilities. So in your relationships you should give without expectation but do not limit possibilities. So each time you give in a relationship it may be the person who is your other half of your being, your soul mate if you wish, but if they are not you have given without expectation. If you give without expectation but make a limiting clause of this, you do injustice to it; you do violence to it, for you must be open to the possibilities, the divine possibilities of life. If you limit it you do violence to the nature of life.

Q: It's very easy to give to a stranger without expectation but hard to do that with someone you are emotionally involved with.

Hai: And so you learn a deeper love, a deeper meaning of love, my friend. It is not hard to give a penny to the beggar in the street. It is hard to give your love to a friend who does not love you.

Q: How can you practise giving your love to someone who doesn't love you?

Hai: So you do it without expectation.

Q: That's very hard.

Hai: But you do it within the boundaries, which are sensible.

Q: Do you mean that I would not have a full relationship with someone who didn't love me but I can love them in a different way?

Hai: This is so. You love according to the nature of the relationship, according to the depth of the relationship.

Agnes on empathy for people experiencing illness, disability and the effects of old age. Conditions in the Spirit World. The value of accepting help from others.

Paul, the medium, looked very uncomfortable as Agnes came through. She told us she'd spent the latter part of her life bent double. She told us she was keen to pass on the message to be sympathetic to others in her situation. She clearly found it difficult to talk. Someone asked:

Q: Is it hard for you to talk?

Agnes: Well I was bent over you see when I was a little old lady (laughs now) and it was most uncomfortable you know. I don't know if you've seen little old ladies bent over like me, but, if you have, perhaps you've wondered that it doesn't look very comfortable. But until you've experienced it, it is not very easy to understand. It is very uncomfortable to be bent over in back. You can't breathe properly, it constricts your breathing, your chest, you see (medium having difficulties breathing) Breathing is such a problem, very much a problem. ( She sounded as though she was experiencing her condition through Paul). I suppose it was the consequences of living to a ripe old age, but who would want to live to a ripe old age like this?

Q: How old were you?

Agnes: 89 about 150 years ago. I remember seeing sailing ships on the bay. Men of war.

Q: So are you feeling all bent now because you've reconnected with the earth plane?

Agnes: I'm not bent now dear but it was the way I was and I'm just coming over to you the way I was. I just wanted to explain to you how it feels (Paul having difficulty) because the people of the time did not understand how it feels. I was not one to complain, but it was difficult to breathe and to feel comfortable. If you come across anybody who is as I was I want you to try to understand more the discomfort I was in and to empathise with the way they feel. Of course there are many people with such conditions, in different forms, different ways and I suppose they are all in a state of discomfort to a greater or lesser degree. I can only speak for my own condition. But I would ask you to be empathetic to them with their discomfort and pain because it lessens it you know; it does lessen it to know that someone is of sympathetic heart.

Q: I bet it was good when you arrived in the spirit world and realised you didn't have the problem anymore.

Agnes: It was. Funny thing is though, I was so startled by my surroundings for a second or two (smiles with amusement) I didn't notice. I was so taken with all around me that I did not immediately realise my condition had totally changed and I was erect and young again. That was nice being young again.

Q: I thought it took some time to become young again in the spirit world.

Agnes: Well I can only tell you what my experience was dear. But I was immediately younger and very pleasant it was too. (Laughs quietly). He (Davia) says, "Yes, that's it Agnes, play the youth card; it's always a good one to play." (This was yet another of Davia's frequent enticements in jest to buy an early ticket to join him in the Spirit World). He is a card. (Laughs again).

We shared a couple of jokes together, mainly instigated by Davia. Agnes was then asked:

Q: What do you do now in the spirit world, Agnes?

Agnes: I like to meet people when they come over. Of course they are sometimes met by their family or friends initially, but then I like to take over and play my part, show them round and help them to acclimatise. I familiarise them with the immediate environment and facilities.

Q: What kind of facilities would you show them?

Agnes: Well there are facilities for learning, facilities for making contact with ones you wish to make contact with.

Q: Do you help them to get houses then?

Agnes: I explain to them what the process is. Sometimes they already have a house because of the work of their friends or family. It is not something they always have to do for themselves though sometimes they do.

Q: So sometimes families prepare a home for someone do they?

Agnes: Yes because they know what the person wants. It is not like they design a house according to their wishes. They know what the person wants so it is not a problem.

Q: How do they know?

Agnes: They attune you would say, they know, they connect with person's energy field and they know. You may ask somebody what kind of house they would like and you would use your words and at the end of it you may be wiser and you may not be wiser, or you have made a mistake, a misperception of what they would want. So then if you drew a picture of what you think they want you might find it is all wrong. That cannot happen when you connect with their energies because you get an altogether clearer picture.

We chatted for a while longer until someone saw a spider and panicked. Everyone started to move to avoid the spider. Eileen thought Agnes had finished so decided to end the session.

Less than a week later Agnes returned. Many of our spirit friends return to talk to us again during a subsequent session. However, Agnes's communication had been difficult both for her, it seemed, and the medium, so we were surprised that she'd returned so soon. Agnes began her story again, this time we thought it was for the benefit of the new group of listeners; however, it soon became obvious that she Agnes had not finished her message when she'd been so rudely interrupted last time. After going over what she'd told us in her last communication Agnes continued:

Agnes: I was not so fine when I was living where you were living. Your body goes all twisted and your joints go all stiff and you can't get hold of things properly and you don't have the strength to do what you want to do without even thinking about it. And you are dependant upon other people all the time too. I didn't like to be a burden to the people around you, but you can't help it when you get to a certain point in old age; you've got to rely on others around you. You know I believe it was instructional though to have to rely on other people and when you've been an independent spirit you don't like it. But you have to accept it and I feel it was good for me to have to accept it. Does that make sense?

Q: Why was it good for you?

Agnes: Because I had to learn to accept help. I was used to standing on my own two feet, but by that time I was not in a position (laughs) to stand on any ones feet.

The next bit of the recording faded but Agnes told us that we come closer to people when we allow them to help us and so mutual benefit is gained by both parties. This was what she learnt from being old. It is good to be independent, but we should also accept help when we need it too. The recorder began to operate normally again and she continued:

Agnes: I think I learnt that when we need it we should accept help and I needed to know that because I was so independent. There is nothing wrong with being independent, but when we need help and when people offer this help then this is how they show their love for you and their care and concern for you. Because if you are so independent that you need no one then where would love be? So it's important to accept help and love and care when you need it. And you know, when you accept that love and care you find yourself in conversation with someone about something and suddenly you, kind of, meet in the middle. There is a connection. So I am grateful for my difficult old age. It helped me to learn to be dependent when it becomes necessary and it helped me to allow others to show their love and compassion for me and I am very, very grateful that I learnt that.

So I would say to you that if you come across someone old be kind to them, but not patronising. Some people would talk across me to my daughter as though I was some kind of animal and couldn't speak for myself. If I had had the use of my legs I would have kicked them in the shin (laughs loudly).

Q: Agnes!

Agnes: Well it's not very nice being patronised is it? It's like you're some kind of curiosity and not a very capable one either; that will not do.

Eileen told Agnes of a time when her auntie, who was in a wheelchair, was taken into a shop to buy a TV. The assistant addressed Eileen, totally ignoring her aunt. Agnes replied:

Agnes: That's what they used to do to me when I was in the old peoples home and my daughter used to visit me. I used to say: "I haven't lost the use of my voice and I can hear well enough too."

Well my friends I must go, but I beg you to bear in mind what I have said. Goodbye my friends.

A Question from SW in Liverpool, England about Schizophrenia

Q:I have a close relative who is suffering from schizophrenia. Despite medication and mental health services her condition does not seem to be improving. She suffers from mania and at other times depression. It has been said that sometimes schizophrenia can be a spiritual awakening. Is that the case here or is it something else, as she seems to be detached from people and her actions? Is there anything specific that we can do as a family to help her get better? Is there anything she can do to help herself? Are there any specific therapies that would help her on a deep level?

Hai: No there are no particular magical ways to helping such a person. Such a person needs to feel love, needs to feel acceptance, needs to feel comradeship, communion. But there are no specific ways to help them, for they cut off from the main, cut off from the general flow and current. Therefore, it is a matter of trying to re-engage them with the general flow and current again, through love, acceptance, and togetherness. This calls for great patience, great fortitude, great strength, yes, in the hope that such will win through, will overcome the negativity that has taken hold of them.For they are victims of their own thoughts and thinking, victims of their own energies, of their own psyche. Therefore, it is important to try to adjust the flow of those energies, change the flow of the energies of their psyche to try to engage them with other things, to try to engage them with reality. This is no easy process. This is no easy condition to achieve. But if carried forward with consistency, with fortitude, with strength, with optimism, then it may be possible to break the flow, to change the course of events.

A member of the group asked:

Q: Is it true that schizophrenia can be a spiritual awakening or is that just a myth?

Hai: No. Not often. Not generally so. They may obtain flashes of insight but it is disordered, un-ordered, erratic, confusing.

Q: So are there no specific therapies that would help any more than she is already receiving?

Hai: Only the therapy of great love and great consistency, constancy: To attempt to re-engage them with reality. To attempt to win their minds back from illusion, imagination.