Tranquil Spirit, Northwich, Cheshire, UK - Spirit Communications: Rebirth

Spirit Communications:

Rebirth

Rebirth and Karma

Q: Some people do not feel comfortable with the idea of reincarnation. They believe that they can progress in the spirit world without reincarnating and they also feel that their family would not be there to see them if they'd reincarnated back to earth before they themselves passed to the spirit world.

Hai: Whether people feel comfortable or not is neither here or there. Reincarnation exists whether we like it or not. There is a reality which exists. A reality which exists of itself. A oneness to attune to which we must accommodate ourselves to. If the family have rebirthed, then there was a need to. Therefore this need had to be met and if we truly love those we love, we must accept what is best in their interests, what best suits their needs. Not hang on to circumstances. We must have a deep enough, broad enough, love, to let go also when the time calls for it.

Q: Other spirit communicators have said that there is no need to reincarnate and that they will not reincarnate ever.

Hai: It is true that we can learn whilst in the spirit lands and progress, but there are some lessons which are best learnt in an earth life,and can only be learnt in an earth life. Therefore it is sometimes the case of a need to be born on the earth plane, to meet our needs most appropriately. It is not solely on a matter of our will. There is karma to consider.

Q: When someone goes to spirit what is the most important factor governing whether that person reincarnates again? Is it the spirit's wish to reincarnate or is it something external to the spirit, that says you have to reincarnate again in order to progress? Which is the most important factor?

Hai: This depends on many things. There are many reasons why people may reincarnate as you put it. You speak of reincarnation on earth do you?

Q: Yes

Hai: There are a variety of reasons which will affect the result of. Sometimes, karma dictates that the person should rebirth on the earth plane. Sometimes they build up karma to the point that their desire takes them back quite quickly to the earth plane. But for many this is not the case. For many they will spend some time in the spirit realms. And the length of time by your calculation will vary enormously. Some will spend time in the spirit lands for many aeons. Others will return to earth out of choice. Out of choice to undergo new experiences and to learn and grow from those experiences. Others may progress through the spirit realms as far as they are able. But I have said before, I think, that there are experiences which can be gained from the earthly plane which cannot be gained in the spiritual lands. And therefore the earth plane has its own particular value. Its own particular contribution to make to our growth and progress. But there is no blueprint.

Q: Do people sometimes have to go back whether they like it or not, as it were?

Hai: This will depend upon the karma which they have built up. It depends upon the vibration they themselves have built up, established within themselves. Some are drawn back to the earth plane not so much for reasons of growth but because they are attached to the earth plane. And there is an essential bond, tie, between themselves and the earthly conditions. So they are drawn back in, if you like, to an earthly life. Some will go on and live on the spirit planes and later perhaps choose to come back for a number of reasons. They may come back because they know that the experiences they will undergo, which they can have some choice over as well usually, will help their growth and progression. It is also possible that some spirits may choose to come back because other spirits with whom they have a bond have decided to come back and they feel the bond and the need to come back with their spirit friends. To undergo earthly life together in some form or other.

Q: What would be a deep spirit bond between a spirit and his friends?

Hai: The bonds which you establish endure. They endure over time and space. They endure beyond the illusion of death. These bonds continue and in part it is part of the karma to which I referred. So because these bonds exist, and they are bonds of love usually, to which I refer then sometimes these bonds of love require us drive us to be reborn at the same time period as our friends. But you should not the two attached to roles here. By this I mean the roles which you occupy while you are on the earth plane; of mother, father, son ,daughter, husband, wife and so on. The bond of love that is within all these roles is deeper than the roles themselves. And it is the love to which I refer and not the bond of the role. So love endures. The bond of love endures. Roles may change. And you may have had experience of being a wife or a husband to someone in a previous lifetime but you may choose perhaps to be reborn in a different relationship with them. At relationship perhaps of a friend, a daughter, or a son and so on. But the bond of love runs through all these roles. It's what is important. It's what is ultimately valuable.

Q: Does it tend to be an upwards progression or can people go downwards as well?

Hai: Generally progression is onwards but it is possible that we may also regress because as always it depends upon how we use our experiences, how we respond to our experiences. Intent is all. Motive is all. When it comes to this matter it is what is important. If we for instance go to the spirit realms. We spend some time there. And then we return to an earth life. Then depending upon how they responded to the earthly life depending upon their intent and to their motives when they were in the physical body it is possible that they could create a different karma for themselves and they therefore regress. But even with regression they can be growth at the end of the day. We learn and we grow.

Contradictions in views of Guides over reincarnation:

Q: I spoke to you some time back about Abu (another medium's Guide) who says that reincarnation does not happen. Is that because the Channel was not able to accept it?

Hai: Some people cannot accept reincarnation. This not important in scheme of things. For accepting reincarnation or not, not essential to living good life. Therefore, it is not worth losing sleep over if person unable to accept it. But, for those who are able to accept it, it is indeed the truth, the reality.

Q: Does Abu lie then when he says there is no reincarnation or does he genuinely believe that there isn't. And can he still be a guide?

Hai: There are many factors which affect all this. For it may be that the mind of the medium has intervened in this, also. Because, if the medium's mind is against reincarnation, against the notion of rebirth, then the spirit guide may be unable to convey these messages through this medium. For the medium's mind is all powerful in many ways, if the message is rejected at the unconscious level.

Q: Colin Fry's guide, Magnus, also rejects the idea of reincarnation.

Hai: We know this, but he have perhaps block. He have perhaps opinion that reincarnation not the case. You must remember also, though, that some spirits who come to spirit land are in spirit land for what seem an eternity. They in part of spirit land with other spirits who are also in same part of spirit land as if for eternity. Idea of reincarnation may seem jubious, you understand. Because we are in spirit land does not mean we are all knowing, does not mean we know the whole truth or the whole reality. Does not mean that we know what goes on everywhere. Therefore, you must be cautious with what you hear from us, all of us. This is why we tell you to question, to question and test and decide what fits with your understanding of reality. You know in your heart if something go against the grain.

Q: There will surely be some things that we will hear that will surprise us. Don't we need to know some things that are new to us to make us think?

Hai: Yes it's true.

Q: So these spirits who have not moved on very much and are not aware of reincarnation; would they still be allowed to act as guides?

Hai: Well, there is no Police state. People connect with their minds, with their thoughts, their beings, their spiritual beings. There is no police state to stop this. Spirit lands are as varied as the world which you inhabit, with as many differing opinions and views as the world in which you inhabit. You must not think otherwise. You must not think us clones of each other, who have lost our individuality, who have been imprinted with a grand stamp of some kind. No, there is much viriety, much variation of views and thoughts.

Q: So is the truth, then, the truth for anyone as they know it at that particular time?

Hai: Yes.

Q: Which could change the next week or the next month?

Hai: Their understanding of the truth. The truth does not change, but their understanding of the truth may draw nearer to the reality or may withdraw, retreat from the reality.

Q: But the truth is the truth.

Hai: The truth is the truth in the sense of the ultimate experience of Reality. The ultimate experience of Reality cannot be questioned. It is beyond conjecture. It is beyond argument and debate. But those who have experienced the ultimate experience of Reality are relatively few, compared to the millions of beings who have lived.

Q: Those few people who have experienced It, will they all see the Truth in the same way?

Hai: They would see the Truth, or rather they would know the Truth, in the same way. But when they express the Truth it could vary in the forms which they use to express It, particularly when they try to convey their experience to those of the earth plane, for they have to use the forms and symbols of the earth plane to convey their experience of Reality. And, therefore, they are bound and constricted and restricted; constrained by these forms and symbols.

Q: But would those few express the Truth in the same way to each other?

Hai: They would know what the experience of the other had been and in this knowing there is a oneness of experience, a oneness of understanding, at the level of experience and understanading. But in expressing their experience, their understanding of their experience, we have variation again. 

The Special Value of an Earth Life

Peter from Chester in the UK, asked: My question concerns the need for the physical plane. I know Hai has said that there are lessons that can only be learnt here, but he has also said that the power of thought is great and we can create our own environment in the spiritual world.

Hai: Yes, but lessons of the earth plane are great, great indeed, because the earth plane provides conditions, conditions of our experience and it is by living through the experience of the earth plane that we may learn much which would not so easily be learnt on other planes. The earth plane conditions our experience. It frustrates us. Sometimes it constrains us. Sometimes it limits us. Sometimes. But by these very limitations and constraints it creates experiences for us which we must partake of; which we must wrestle with perhaps sometimes, and by this wrestling, by this living through these experiences, we gain much that we still do not fully understand while still on the earth plane. We gather much from this sojourn upon this plane and therefore we should be grateful to it. We should be grateful to the earth, to the earth plane. We should be grateful to this experience. We should love it as a brother, as a sister.

It is true that we may gain experiences on other planes also and our learning does not end, does not finish. It goes on for all eternity. But the pattern of these experiences, of these learnings within other planes, is not of the same degree, not of the same order as those of the earth plane. But these different learning experiences on these different planes may complement each other for they are not at odds with each other. They may complement and supplement each other, but they are different in their intensity, in their degree, in their format, in their possibilities. Therefore it is not to be shunned this earth life, this earth experience, for it gives us much and there is much opportunity to gain from it and therefore we would encourage you to embrace it while you are here. You may miss it when you go, even though Davia speaks of the glories of the spirit plane, the beauty of the spirit plane and the beach and the seas of the spirit plane. Yet, there is something that the spirit plane cannot give you: experience of the earth plane.

Paul had been told by another medium that he had once lived a life as a member of a religious order in France and had been a hard line fanatic. This puzzled us as it was after a life which Paul had been told he spent in a Buddhist monastery, which on the surface seemed to be a failure of that life.

Hai: Hard line fanatics are prone to pain and disaster, because as you say, a hard line fanatic, hard line fanatics, must tread a hard line, a narrow line, a straight line, but if we give ourselves such a hard task, a hard narrow line to follow, we are prone to fall off, wander off, then the recriminations are horrendous.

Q: I can't understand why if Paul was in a Buddhist monastery before his fanatical days why he became a fanatic after this?

Hai: He was not a fanatic in the Buddhist monastery. Fanaticism was not encouraged. But he chose a certain life in a later life to experience what fanaticism meant.

Q: Two opposites then?

Hai: Two opposites indeed.

Chung Ching: It helps you to define your boundaries to try the extremes.

Q: So you would know before you came here then?

Hai: You would know on this occasion. Not all would know such things. As I have said, some are driven by their desire, by their karma to enter quickly into a new body on the earth plane. But there is opportunity to choose an incarnation for those who have moved to this point. "Rebirth" indicates more clearly I think that we move into a new frame. We put on a new cloak, to use the analogy I used last time and the new cloak, the new frame, may have many different qualities to the one of yesteryear. If we talk of reincarnation some people are prone to think of enduring qualities of the physical passing into the new body, the personality passing into the new body. But I would say to you that your personalities are what you have while you are on the earth on this occasion. Aspects of your personality are peripheral to your essence and you nevertheless have an essence, a spiritual essence, a spiritual being which is within, behind and greater than all the other qualities which you all display on the earthly plane. So it is as if you take on a mold when you come on to the earth plane. You take on a shape, a cloak, through which other people see you, through which you have to represent yourself. But it is in many ways an intermediary, a medium by which you express yourselves if you like and from that point of view it is not so different to what I am doing now. For I am using Paul's body as a medium for which to express myself but it cannot indicate or reveal to you the essence of my being. But yet it does reveal it to a point and through our communication you can interact with the essence of my being.

Why do Spirits Need to come back to Earth to Learn

Q: Why do spirits need to learn by coming to earth?

Hai: There are opportunities on the earth plane which do not present themselves on the spirit planes. There is a particular kind of experience, a particular depth of experience, which is available to you here which is not so in the spirit lands.

Q: Someone suggested to me that to believe in a spiritual existence and reincarnation is arrogant because we are not that special.

Hai: No. She misunderstands. It is a matter of reality. It is a question of reality. It is a matter of fact, if you like, not one of arrogance.

Peter from Chester in England asked a question about Spiritual Progression.

Q: I have wondered about our progression through the experience of past lives. Do we progress steadily through each lifetime, step by step, or could it be likened to a game of snakes and ladders? Could we fall from the higher realms to the lower?

Paul: We have asked Hai variations on this question at different times. He indicates that while the hope is that our development is one of gradual "upward" progression, the reality may well be that it can be like snakes and ladders, though of course it is not as arbitrary as depending upon the roll of the dice. He tells us that we are on the earth to learn and this may well mean that we make mistakes in the process, as we sometimes have to learn by making mistakes. In view of all this it is entirely possible that we may "fall from the higher realms to the lower". Though less likely this can even happen to the most saintly of beings. When we are put to the test and temptation who of us can be sure of our responses? Our hope lies in the fact that we are all eternal and therefore ultimately we will all attain our spiritual destiny.