Tranquil Spirit, Northwich, Cheshire, UK - Spirit Communications: Evolution

Spirit Communications:

Evolution

Richard Dawkins Television Programme on Darwin's Theory of Evolution, God and the Bible

A number of group members had been watching the TV programme on Evolution by Richard Dawkins recently shown on UK Television. There was some discussion and Hai then commented:

Hai: The Bible story is a symbolic story.

Q: He is also saying that there can be no God because of how cruel nature is. A God would not allow creatures to be treated cruelly by other creatures.

Hai: You must not assume God is benevolent kind of chap. (Laughs heartily). God tries things out; is like chemistry man in lab. Mixes one thing together with another to try it out. But things are unfolding my friends, yes. Things are unfolding in a good way, positive way. But it is not nice and tidy in chemistry lab, yes?

Q: I don't have a problem with marrying evolution with a spiritual belief but I would have a problem if I was a Christian and believed in the Bible as it's written in a literal sense. I think Richard Dawkins had this pointed out to him, but he shows how cruel insects can be to be each other (paralysing the host).

Hai: Life progresses towards perfection, life evolves towards perfection. It is not perfect now, on one level anyway, but it is perfect at another level. But in its manifestation it is not perfect, yet perfection is the goal, the striving for. Yet you are partakers in that act of creation my friends; you also shape creation, by your minds, by your energies, and so does all life too. But as life evolves it will enter a greater harmony, a greater pattern of harmony, a greater being of harmony. But the path of life has been endless already yes? And it goes on endlessly into the future, evolving all the time. There is a driving force behind all this evolvement which you too are part of; this force.

Q: Does that mean the earth will last an infinite amount of time then?

Hai: A long, long time, yes; a long, long time yet.

Q: And will humans still be on it?

Hai: Yes they will be on it yes, but they too will continue to evolve and unfold in their physical beings and mentally.

Q: It seems that a lot of us have lost our perspective at the moment.

Hai: Yes, then they will have to regain their perspective. But you must be patient and tolerant of each other and the different countries that inhabit this earth and the different peoples that inhabit this earth. They are at different stages of development and unfoldment, even though in principle you are all the same, at the same level. Yet in the different countries of the world you are at different expressions of unfoldment and therefore you must be patient with these peoples. You must not try to drag them kicking and screaming, but must encourage, yes, must encourage unfoldment.

Q: But it's thought that if no radical changes come about by 2050 the human race could decline to nothing because of the damage that's been caused over the centuries.

Hai: It will not disappear by 2050, no, no. Yet there must be change.

Q: Will the numbers of people reduce?

Hai: The numbers will not reduce dramatically in the foreseeable future. But you must wisely husband the earth.

Q: There has been radical ideas such as vertical farming where certain food crops would be harvested from tower blocks. Is this the kind of thing that could help save us?

Hai: We do not believe so. Yet there is a need to husband the resources of the earth wisely, to use what land you have wisely, to use the resources that you are given wisely, to strive forward with your science to find ever better ways of fuelling your necessities. And you will reach out to space in the course of time, not in your lifetimes, but you will reach out to space and harvest the resources of space.

Interference with Evolution?

Tom from Ashby de la Zouch in the UK, asked: In January, Hai said that 'the physical human form was developed in order to provide an opportunity to experience on the physical plane'. Is Hai saying that evolution was interfered with in order to develop physical human bodies that spirits could wear like a cloak? If so, when was this process begun and by whom?

Hai: This person looks at things all upside down, from wrong perspective. He looks at world as if it is split in two, between the physical and the spiritual. This world is a Oneness. It is only a Oneness. It is not even correct to speak of physical and spiritual, but we speak of things in this way for the sake of communication, for the sake of trying to make things clear, yet we do the Reality a blasphemy, an injustice. For it is better to speak of energy or energies. It is better to speak of it in this way, for in truth the physical is no less spiritual than the spiritual; for they all partake of the one energy, the One Mind. Therefore, it is not correct to view this dichotomy in this way, to create this dichotomy, to talk of a spiritual and a physical, for all there is, is a Oneness, a divine Oneness.

Therefore, there is no separate process of evolution going along on its own beyond the reality of life, beyond the reality of the spiritual essence of life. The spiritual and the physical are one; they are blended together in Oneness. They are a Oneness. Therefore, to speak of a separate process is incorrect; is a disservice; is a misrepresentation of the Divine Reality. Therefore this situation, which this person portrays, does not hold true. It does not appertain to the reality of the world. There is no one to interfere with the physical processes. There is no one to interfere with the spiritual processes. For the Divine Essence is within them both, is within all, is within the totality of reality.

Q: One group member commented:

I understood that we are merely a spirit entity occupying a physical body?

Hai: This is true, but even to speak of a separate physical body is creating a two-fold reality; a this and a that, a dichotomy. Yet in truth the physical body serves the spiritual and for as long as your physical body is serving you; is serving to manifest you in this physical world there is a oneness between your spiritual essence and your physical body. Therefore, it makes no sense to talk of a dichotomy. It is true that when you leave your physical body you will be able to view it as an object, as something apart from you. But for as long as you inhabit it then you are at one with it. You are at Onement with it. You are in togetherness with it. It is part of you; you are part of it. There is a divine fusion.

Evolution and Evil

Q: Is evil in any way responsible for evolution in the sense that destruction progresses evolution through change?

Hai: You should not see evil in this way. No. The One Mind is on a voyage of discovery and the voyage of discovery. And evolution is one avenue of discovery. There has to be change for growth. There has to be change for movement foward. So you should not think of evolution as being linked to evil.

Q: Is the process of evolution infinite?

Hai: Infinity is the very nature of the Moment. Infinity is the very nature of your Essence. So to talk of evolution being infinite is not particularly useful. There is change, but the essence remains the same. This is the great quest for you: to see the Changless in the midst of change.

Q: Are we back to duality again with this?

Hai: No, because I ask you to look for the Changeless. If you look for the Changeless you must put aside duality, the very notion of duality.

Q: I'm going to have to ask you about this again when I've had a think

Hai: Our conversations have a certain element of conversations accross time. For you ask a question one night. I answer it. But then you think on it again while we are apart and you continue with your question a week later and I answer it. And so we go on. It is interesting. It is interesting and illustrates the unimportance of time. Because are separate conversations are linked accross time as if the gap of time did not exist.