A number of group members had been watching the TV programme on Evolution by Richard Dawkins recently shown on UK Television. There was some discussion and Hai then commented:
Hai: The Bible story is a symbolic story.
Q: He is also saying that there can be no God because of how cruel nature is. A God would not allow creatures to be treated cruelly by other creatures.
Hai: You must not assume God is benevolent kind of chap. (Laughs heartily). God tries things out; is like chemistry man in lab. Mixes one thing together with another to try it out. But things are unfolding my friends, yes. Things are unfolding in a good way, positive way. But it is not nice and tidy in chemistry lab, yes?
Q: I don't have a problem with marrying evolution with a spiritual belief but I would have a problem if I was a Christian and believed in the Bible as it's written in a literal sense. I think Richard Dawkins had this pointed out to him, but he shows how cruel insects can be to be each other (paralysing the host).
Hai: Life progresses towards perfection, life evolves towards perfection. It is not perfect now, on one level anyway, but it is perfect at another level. But in its manifestation it is not perfect, yet perfection is the goal, the striving for. Yet you are partakers in that act of creation my friends; you also shape creation, by your minds, by your energies, and so does all life too. But as life evolves it will enter a greater harmony, a greater pattern of harmony, a greater being of harmony. But the path of life has been endless already yes? And it goes on endlessly into the future, evolving all the time. There is a driving force behind all this evolvement which you too are part of; this force.
Q: Does that mean the earth will last an infinite amount of time then?
Hai: A long, long time, yes; a long, long time yet.
Q: And will humans still be on it?
Hai: Yes they will be on it yes, but they too will continue to evolve and unfold in their physical beings and mentally.
Q: It seems that a lot of us have lost our perspective at the moment.
Hai: Yes, then they will have to regain their perspective. But you must be patient and tolerant of each other and the different countries that inhabit this earth and the different peoples that inhabit this earth. They are at different stages of development and unfoldment, even though in principle you are all the same, at the same level. Yet in the different countries of the world you are at different expressions of unfoldment and therefore you must be patient with these peoples. You must not try to drag them kicking and screaming, but must encourage, yes, must encourage unfoldment.
Q: But it's thought that if no radical changes come about by 2050 the human race could decline to nothing because of the damage that's been caused over the centuries.
Hai: It will not disappear by 2050, no, no. Yet there must be change.
Q: Will the numbers of people reduce?
Hai: The numbers will not reduce dramatically in the foreseeable future. But you must wisely husband the earth.
Q: There has been radical ideas such as vertical farming where certain food crops would be harvested from tower blocks. Is this the kind of thing that could help save us?
Hai: We do not believe so. Yet there is a need to husband the resources of the earth wisely, to use what land you have wisely, to use the resources that you are given wisely, to strive forward with your science to find ever better ways of fuelling your necessities. And you will reach out to space in the course of time, not in your lifetimes, but you will reach out to space and harvest the resources of space.