Tranquil Spirit, Northwich, Cheshire, UK - Spirit Communications: Spiritual Progress

Spirit Communications:

Spiritual Progress

Spiritual/Human Progress

Q: Do people keep making the same mistakes because they don't remain in the spirit world long enough to learn before coming back or would they still make their mistakes anyway?

Hai: The wisest soul is put to the test when they return to the earthly planes.

Q: Could you expand on that please?

Hai: You know that there have many saintly men who have started out right but have slipped back. So we cannot take things for granted. In the heart of the greatest saint there is the heart of a sinner and in the heart of the sinner is the heart of the greatest saint.

Q: How does all this learning equate with the One Mind?

Hai: We must rediscover ourselves. We must find our roots in the One Mind. We must recognise our essence in the One Mind. And so far as we are constant, so far as our identity is within the One Mind Itself we will not go astray. We will manifest It's love and compassion on the earth. But we must put aside our own egos to achieve this. We must put aside our own preoccupations. We must put aside our interpretation of the One Mind's purpose and the One Mind's love.

Q: So if every person on earth were able to do this what would there be?

Hai: Harmony would prevail, great love would prevail, and security without question would prevail.

Q: Would people still have to come to the earth plane to learn?

Hai: So far as souls in the spirit lands would need the earthly experience then also they would have to manifest this expression of the One Mind; to manifest the harmony amongst the peoples of the world. The road may seem a long road but you have heard the saying which I have said before which is: "the journey of a thousand miles is started with the first footstep" and as footstep follows footstep we are assured of the end of our journey.

Q: Are you still on your journey?

Hai: We are all still on our journey.

Q: So do you still have plenty to learn and are still evolving?

Hai: We have all got things to learn myself included.

Q: Is there any end to the learning and education or is it infinite like the universe?

Hai: There is no end to the journey. There is identity with the One Mind. There is the return Home. There is the knowledge of who we are but the expression of who we are involves a never-ending journey, an exciting journey, a journey of constant discovery.

Eileen commented:

Q: If I was an evolved soul and knew that I could make a mistake by coming back to earth and so would have to return again to put things right, I think I would want to quit while I was winning.

Hai replied with amusement:

Hai: You are not gambling so you cannot simply cash your chips in. No, this does not work like this. You know, great gains, great advances must be won and with great chances we must be prepared to take risks, to take chances to learn to move forward, to grow, to develop. If we do not take chances we do not grow, we do not develop. We make mistakes along our way but no one should blame us for this for, if we make these mistakes in good honest heart, what more can people ask of us.

We will make mistakes and we must put up with those mistakes, recognize them and acknowledge they are part of our growth. We should not reprimand ourselves too severely for them for we all make mistakes; some are more conscious of their mistakes than others but all make mistakes.

Spiritual progress and its difficulties

Hai: We cannot take progress for granted. We cannot accept that it will just merely happen. We must make it happen. We must apply ourselves and our leaders must apply themselves.

Q: Do people keep making the same mistakes because they don't stay in the spirit world long enough before coming back or would they still make their mistakes anyway?

Hai: The wisest soul is put to the test when they return to the earthly planes.

Q: Could you expand on that please?

Hai: You know that there have many saintly men who have started out right but have slipped back. We cannot take things for granted. In the heart of the greatest saint there is the heart of a sinner. In the heart of the sinner is the heart of the greatest saint.

Q: How does all this learning equate with the One Mind?

Hai: We must rediscover ourselves. We must find our roots in the One Mind. We must recognise our essence in the One Mind. And so far as we are constant, so far as our identity is within the One Mind itself, we will not go astray. We will manifest Its love and compassion on the earth. But we must put aside our own egos to achieve this. We must put aside our own preoccupations. We must put aside our interpretation of the One Mind's purpose and the One Mind's love.

Q: So if every person on earth was able to do this what would there be?

Hai: Harmony would prevail. Great love would prevail. Security without question would prevail.

Q: Would people still have to come to the earth plane to learn?

Hai: So far as souls in the spirit lands would need the earthly experience then also they would have to manifest this expression of the One Mind, to manifest the harmony amongst the peoples of the world. The road may seem a long road but you have heard the saying which I have made before which is "the journey of a thousand miles is started with the first footstep and as footstep follows footstep we are assured of the end of our journey"

Q: Are you still on your journey?

Hai: We are all still on our journey.

Q: So do you still have plenty to learn and are still evolving?

Hai: We have all got things to learn, myself included.

Q: Is there any end to the learning and the education or is it infinite like the universe?

Hai: There is no end to the journey. There is identity with the One Mind. There is the return Home. There is the knowledge of who we are. But the expression of who we are involves a never ending journey, an exciting journey. A journey of constant discovery.

Q: If I was an evolved soul and knew that I could make a mistake by coming back to earth and maybe be set back I think I would want to quit while I was winning.

Hai: (with amusement) You are not gambling and you can cash your chips in! No, this does not work like this. You know, great gains, great advances must be won with great chances. We must be prepared to take risks, to take chances, to learn to move forward, to grow, to develop. If we do not take chances we do not grow, we do not develop. We make mistakes along our way, but no one should blame us for this. For if we make these mistakes in good heart, honest heart, what more can people ask of us? We will make mistakes and we must put up with those mistakes, recognise them and put up with them and acknowledge they are part of our growth. We should not reprimand ourselves too severely for them, for all make mistakes. Some are more conscious of their mistakes than others, but all make mistakes.

There was some discussion about people whom many have regarded as saintly, but have been found to commit acts of great immorality.

Q: It worries me that you could find yourself doing that when you are a wise soul.

Hai: Wise without wisdom.

Q: Would he not necessarily have wisdom if he was wise?

Hai: You have answered your own question. You walk up the hill and you step on some mud and you slip backwards. Having been up the hill is no avail to you. Having seen the sights on the top of the hill is no avail to you when you have slipped back on the mud slide to the half way point. Karma, the debt of karma is greater for this, of course, for you have seen the vision at the summit; you have seen the view, the landscape, from the summit, but have slipped back.

Q: I suppose it's one thing to reach the pinnicle, but it's another to maintain yourself at that level. It's probably a very difficult thing to do.

Hai: The Zen masters say when you have had the enlightenment experience the work begins. There are those who have the enlightenment experience and that's all it is, an experience which is forgotten in the mists of time eventually. There are those who have the experience and apply themselves for a short time after to try to integrate the experience into their lives. There are those who have the experience and apply themselves with rigour to integrate the experience into their lives and manifest the Heart which they have seen. But it is work to do this. We must apply ourselves in patience endurance and compassion.

Q: Did you opt for the last option when you had the experience?

Hai: I endeavoured to opt for the last form of expression.

Q: Do you think you were successful or did you slip in the mud?

Hai: We all slip in the mud, but there are mud patches and there are mountains of mud.

Q: Why are you smiling when you say that to me Hai

Hai: We do well if we can just restrict our slipping to slipping on the patches of mud, little slip which may be rectified more easily than slipping on the mountain of mud. 

Michael from Toronto, Canada, asked the following question:

Q: What is the greatest impediment to manifesting God's abundance in our lives? How pervasive is "poverty consciousness" in mankind?

Hai: Well you know if you wish to manifest the bountifulness of nature, of God's providence within your life there must be trust within your lives. There must be trust in the manifestation of this abundance. But there is a difficulty here. For how shall we define this abundance? What does this abundance mean? What meaning does it have? For we would suggest that abundance can be different things; can be different things to different people. What is abundance for one person will not be seen as abundance for another. We all seek abundance in our lives but what we seek when we talk of this abundance might be very different things. One person might see abundance as being in the wilderness, in the beauty of the wilderness, with all the sufficiency of nature around them. For another this would be immense poverty and for them abundance would be the sights and sounds of a city. For another it may be riches beyond measure in their pocket. For another it might be living in simple poverty within which they find a richness which is beyond their imagination, beyond their wildest dreams. Therefore it is difficult to answer this question for it depends upon how we interpret abundance; what meaning it has for us; what it is that we seek in life.

It may be also that abundance can change for us from one lifetime to another. In one lifetime abundance might be richness of experiences, tasting the whole of life and what it has to offer. But in another life it might be depth of experience, which might mean that we hardly move from our base, from our home where we put down our roots. Yet who is to say that one is more abundant than the other in its richness? We cannot say this can we? Therefore what is it this person wants? What is it this person wishes? It depends upon what they want in their lives.

Some would say that they are blessed because they receive the riches of the earth. Some would say that God has blessed them because they receive the riches of the earth. But we cannot say this for sure. For some may be cursed by the riches of the earth rather than it be a blessing. Therefore even this is hard to deliberate over. It is not that we should expect the riches of the earth in any one lifetime. For the earth has not these riches to give to all of us. Nor is it that it should be so for we all have need of different experiences within our different lifetimes. It would not do that they were too similar, for our needs are different and varied. And therefore one person in their lifetime might indeed need the riches of the earth to learn the lessons which they will bring with them. But another person may need immense poverty to learn the lessons which it brings with it. And so it is hard to answer this question in a simple way.

Q: So the answer to the question is unique to each individual?

Hai: It is unique to each individual. But I would say to you that within your own circumstances, from within your own viewpoint, abundance is to be found. Abundance is to be found by not grasping, by not gripping, not holding on, not being attached to the pursuit of this or that. For there is abundance in the moment, in the moment, in the Now, if we could only still our minds we would see this abundance all around us and within us. Great peace must surely be our ultimate aim, must it not? Peace of mind, peace of soul, peace of being. If we can achieve this would we not think of ourselves as living in immense abundance? But this achieving of great peace, of great stillness, does not come from outside events or conditions. But it comes from within. It is not easy to find perhaps, because our minds are drawn without. We are conditioned by the world around us to seek things without. But we should turn within. We should look within. For within we will find a great abundance within ourselves. A self-sufficiency which is borne of the One Mind.

Hai: We would only say this further, and it is a big "only" perhaps, but it is right and proper that we should share the riches of the earth among the nations, among those who are poor, among those who are needy. For I would say this: That we must share, we must reach out to those other nations which are poorer than our own. We should seek to relieve the conditions and oppression of their peoples by reaching out with our love to them. For as you may say truly: "There, but for the grace of God, go I." Therefore, we should reach out to our brothers and sisters in these far lands, these lands of poverty and do what we can to relieve their plight. The riches of the earth are given that we may share them fairly and equally. That we may redistribute them, distribute them, to meet the need of our brothers and sisters.

The Fundamental Lesson?

Peter from Chester in the UK asked: Is there a fundamental lesson that must be learnt above all else, regardless of which plain we exist on?

Hai: To lay down the self without the act of laying down the self.

Q: That was short and sweet.

Hai: Short lesson, long time to accomplish; many aeons to accomplish in most cases. Not like learning times table.

Test All Things/The "Ring of Truth"

Q: You always say we should question what comes from spirit. I recently read an article which said you shouldn't question spirit but always should go with any guidance unquestioningly.

Hai: No, no. What do you think of this thing that was said.

Q: I didn't agree with it.

Hai: Well you are right, are you not, for you are a wise soul. No, but what he may be saying perhaps is that as when our own discernment grows, when our feel for the ring of truth grows, we may acknowledge the truth when we hear it, spontaineously, without having to think about it, without having to think long and hard about it. We instantaineously know the ring of truth. Where we know the ring of truth we feel it's truth. Then of course we would wish to follow it without question. But I would say that always we should question and test what is given to us with the conscience of our own hearts, against the wisdom which we have built up in our own hearts, against the wisdom we have come to accept from others as feeling right and true and just and offering us the right direction for our lives both in this world and the next. There are too many who say "follow me, I have the truth"; "No, follow me, I have the truth; "That person over there is deceived"; "This person over here is deceitful" and so on. We must accept responsibility for our own actions, for our own choices. If we do so this provides the great hope for the deliverance of humanity. For we must test all against the human heart, against human love, against the welfare of all. You ask yourselves a simple question. Would it be a desirable thing to have our eyes poked out? So we form a question at this basic level and we come to the conclusion: this is a most undesirable thing. It is a thing that we would find hard to associate with love would we not. Therefore we form a judgement: we would never wish to poke anyone's eyes out or have our own eyes poked out. But if you look through your history, at the thousands if not millions of people who have had their eyes poked out throughout the ages of your history, in the name of truth, love and justice, we have a dilemma, we have a contradiction to our basic judgement based on our own understanding of human love and what is for peoples' welfare. If we ask ourselves as a starting point always "what is promoting the welfare of others and what would not promote their welfare", we have wise judgments which will follow from this. But there are those who start their deliberations from other considerations, blaming those for not following their own path and deciding therefore that such people should be punished in certain ways: "Such people are not worthy. Such people should be harmed for their own good." Is this not a contradiction to human love that some people should be harmed for their own good? We cannot possibly reconcile this with human love. But there are many who have advocated it throughout your ages. Your Aztec friend told you "better to throw away, better to abandon all religion than to abandon human love for your fellows." And this is an admirable precept of his. But we would not of course criticize religions fundamentally. For at their heart they have been based on love. They have promoted love. But it is in the hands of men that they have been contaminated and distorted and have caused such damage and untold misery.

Q: It would not matter about the religions being different if they could all accept each other.

Hai: Yes, this is so. They provide variety of opportunity, they provide variety of path which may be helpful to people in approaching the One Mind and finding their way. In the hands of men they become roads to hell. So we must question all things, all religions and test them against the cardinal principle of love.

Q: I have been thinking while you have been talking. How much knowledge do you need in order to make a correct decision?

Hai: You feel in your heart what you feel to be correct, what you feel to be just and wise. The important thing is that you approach these things honestly, with no self deception, with no attachment for end results for yourself. If you approach such things in this way, with love in your heart and the welfare of others in your heart, you will be doing the best you can. This does not mean that we will never make mistakes. For experience advances our wisdom does it not? We learn from our mistakes. We learn from our experiences. And we must expect this process to carry on. We cannot expect to be all knowing, omni-competent in all things. We are human beings and we must do the best we can. But if we act, if we do the best we can in this way, observing the principles which I have just expounded to you, we are doing our best and we will not go far astray. Those who have gone far astray have not borne in mind the welfare of others. They have attached themselves to their own goals and ends. They have presumed to know truth and wisdom and promoted their own version of it. In short they have been egocentric and attached to themselves and not the welfare and love of others. Ego is the root of all evil, all that is unskilful in bringing us to the One Mind. 

One member of the group asked about the progress and evolution of the spirit.

Hai: Well we are all on a path of unfoldment, of evolution spiritually, but this ground is a training ground upon this earth plane. Therefore the spiritual unfoldment is both occurring, but yet is not occurring, for those conditions which have prevailed upon this earth yet prevail. The pain, the hatred, the division and the duality yet still prevail. Yet in spite of all this the Great Compassion will prevail, the Great Love will prevail. The people have only to discover It, to put aside their selfish ways, their egotistical ways and to embrace compassion. In so far as people wish to score points on their fellow brothers and sisters; wish to make mockery of their brothers and sisters; wish to point out weaknesses of their brothers and sisters; in so far as any participate in this negativity it will contribute to the pain of the world.

A member of the circle who was already aware of a previous life in the 16th century asked Hai if he would tell her how many lives she’d had since then. This was Hai’s response:

Hai: Well I say to you, you have lived a thousand lives since you have first put foot on this earth this time. Each new day is a new life to a point, yes? This is useful to look at it this way: new day, new start. Do not carry baggage of old life. People do though you know; they carry baggage forward. They carry baggage forward from one day so they have one knap sack on their back. Then they get to next day, they put another knap sack on their back. Then they have another day and before they know where they are they are crawling on all fours with all these knapsacks. It is better to put aside these knapsacks: fresh start, new day, each day.

Q: People often ask about the stages of evolution and think that each time we come to earth we are better than the last. I’ve tried to explain that it is not like a ladder.

Hai: No more like roller coaster.(With humour).

Q: People think that those who steal, take drugs etc, then they must not be as evolved as a person would not do those things. They do not seem able to grasp that the pattern of evolution is not always consistent.

Hai: Well you must teach them. You must advocate to them that they must love all persons without exception, without judgement. For when we speak of universal love, harmonious unconditional love, then this is what we speak of. We do not say: "Love everyone, except him down the road." We do not say: "Love everyone except he who does this." We say: "Love all without exception." For in this love there is redemption not only for those who love but for those whom are loved. For if you felt truly loved, truly loved, would this not nourish you? Would this not make you feel so valued that you, in your turn, would value others; would respond to this love, this miracle of love, yes?

For those who talk to you, who speak to you of ladders, of stages, then I would say this to them: That you have attained true wisdom when you can climb the ladder without rungs. When you have learned how to climb the ladder without rungs then come back to me and talk of stages. This is "one flash" inspiration, not to be conjectured over, not to be talked about on logical plane.

Q: When we talk about loving everybody people often appear to agree, but it often seems that they automatically assume that the person less fortunate than themselves is often also less evolved than themselves. This often makes them seem condescending with their love.

Hai: Well this is not love. Love is not doing things to people. Love is recognition. It is like what you were speaking about before you came up here tonight. It is like you were speaking about a realisation, yes? A realisation of the Nature of all things, Nature of the universe and the Essence of life. You speak of this, yes? (We had been talking about the Buddhist ‘Enlightenment’ before our sitting) Well is it not this also? Is it not like a recognition of a person, of their worth, their value, of their sacredness, of their uniqueness, their essentialness? Is it not this rather than doing something to them? It is that we recognise them for what they are and we respond to that recognition, yes? It’s like water flowing down hill yes? Water flows down hill naturally because of hill, so it is like this with our love. That, if we recognise the person for what they are, we see them for what they are, in their essence, then we respond with this love like the water running down the hill.

But yet to get to this point we must be without attachment. We must be without ego. For if we have not managed to put aside our own preferences, our own choices, our own prejudices, our own assumptions, you will not be able to respond so freely as this. But in truth is not love like this, as I said? It is a response, recognition of the person who stands before us without conditions, without judgements.

Q: People find that hard to do unless we can give them examples.

Hai: They find it hard to do because they cannot put aside themselves. This is why they find it hard to do. Putting aside ourselves is a hard lesson, a hard action to do. This is what we must learn. This is our main lesson, which we must learn on this plane and others: that we must put aside ourselves. And in putting aside ourselves we find ourselves. In putting aside ourselves we reveal ourselves. Therefore this is what we must do.

Q: Perhaps the only people we really do that for is our children and we don’t always do it for our children either.

Hai: This is true, but within the family you are afforded many opportunities to learn to put aside the self; for the good, for the benefit of your children, your partner yes? But it is true also, as you say, that some do not succeed even in this. But if we cannot do it for our loved ones who are close to us, how easy will we find it to do it for others who are in the world. Yet in truth we should learn from this experience with our partners, with our children, our families. Learn from this experience and reach out to broaden our perception, our perspective of others who live in this world; to learn to give to them in a similar way. But as with all things, some learn from these experiences, these situations, opportunities, some do not. It is the way of it.

Tom Elliot from Ashby de la Zouch in England asked questions about Light Bearers and Remote Viewing

Q: Does the term "Light Bearer" mean anything to you?

Hai: "Light bearer" is someone we see as bears the truth, evidences truth, witnesses the truth and conveys this to others; who passes on the light to others. This is the way we see "Light Bearer". But you know we are not keen on labels, on names, for these names can get us into difficulty. For somebody calls themselves a "Light Bearer", then they take on an aggrandisement, a positive label. But who is to say how much of a "Light Bearer" they are? Who is to say how good a "Light Bearer" they are? Who is to say that they continue to be a "Light Bearer"? So we would question what use or value some of these labels perform; what usefulness they are.

Q: Do you know anything about me?

Hai: (Laughing). Yes, he is Tom Elliot.

Hai then continued with the answer to the first question:

Hai: It is good that people wish to portray, to carry forward, a reflection of the truth; to portray this, to give this to others, to light their flames with it. But we would caution on becoming too concerned with such names. They can in their own turn cause difficulty.

Q: It's the human desire to categorise everything, Hai.

Hai: Fundamentally there is only one category, which embraces all categories. The One Mind embraces all categories and is in itself category-less, yes?

Q: The popular term is "Light Worker".

Hai: Yes, so we like to think of this. We like to think: "I am a Light Worker". This gets us into difficulty. It becomes yet another entrapment for the human soul. Rather than: "I am a Christian"; "I am a Buddhist"; "I am a Taoist"; "I am a Muslim"; we have "I am a Light Worker".

We then continued with Tom's third question:

Q: Do you recommend remote viewing as a useful discipline for psychic development?

Hai: It depends upon your purpose. What purpose do you wish to serve through this remote viewing? It can be an interesting exercise if you can compare, if you can check your facts afterwards, yes. But it is not useful in terms of communication with the spirit world in terms of promoting communication between the realms. It is less useful than other means, through meditation and so on.

Q: I think we are just best developing and not getting tied up with all these names and terms because it doesn't mean anything if you can't produce anything.........Hai has no comment?

Hai: No, it is not that I have no comment. But what you say is correct; that people are enchanted, entrapped by such names as "Light Bearer", "Light Worker" and so on. They like to have positive terms, words, concepts to apply to themselves and this is ok up to a point. However it can cause them difficulty because they become stuck to these terms, this terminology and this can cause them great difficulty because they are no longer then free. They are entrapped by these words and terms and the words can become lifeless things of no meaning. They are only meaningful in so far as we attach meaning to them. But what is more important is what they hint at; what they refer to; the processes which are underlying; which go on behind the scenes. But these processes are independent of these terms and words.

Therefore we may apply the term 'Light Worker' to someone who no longer has an interest in the Light; who may have had an interest in the Light, but has since put It to one side, or who has grown disinterested. Yet there are others who are indeed "getting on with the business" as you put it, yes, in terms of not so much giving messages, but in terms of promoting spirituality in the world and they will carry on with their task regardless of this terminology. They "get on with the business" regardless of what people call them, regardless of what labels people attach to them. They will be unconcerned with this for they will simply be "getting on with the business".