Q: Have you an opinion on Nostradamus?
Hai: People may see into the future, into the pattern, but it is only a pattern. There is not the possibility of knowing something for sure, of seeing something definite. There is a pattern and the pattern may express itself as the person sees it, but it also may not. It may vary from the situation, the unfoldment which the person sees. Because things are not written in granite. There is the possibility of change, of movement within the pattern. So people may see some of the future, but it may not be in actuality as they see it when it unfolds. We may go with the pattern of course and in this case it is more likely for the pattern to unfold in a certain way, a way perhaps which is predicted. But because you have free will this can create great change in the pattern. It can move things in different directions. It is important that you exercise your free will and take charge of the pattern, to affect its unfoldment. For in this way it may unfold in a more beneficial way to you, to human kind, than it would otherwise.
Q: How would Nostradamus have tuned into this pattern?
Hai: You attune to the energies that are prevalent in the world at a particular point in time. In tuning into the energy currents, you may predict, you may see the pattern, as it may unfold in future. But the attunement to energy itself may vary over time. You access the energy patterns at one point in time and you predict certain things as a result. But if you tune in on a later occasion you may find that the pattern has shifted and new things will result. We are dealing with eddies and currents here, not fixed things, and you all have a share, a role to play in altering these eddies and currents. If you are on a boat on the river the boat will naturally follow the current, will it not, the eddies of the river? If you put your oar in the waters it affects the current. It affects the flow. And you may guide the boat in a different direction as a result.This is how we should think of time and future prediction. You may all have an influence in shaping the future. You indeed have a responsibility to shape the future in the most beneficial way for human kind.
Q: Our question concerns the Bible Code, I've just read the book by Michael Drosnin and Eli Rips. It was a very thought provoking read. I don't know if this has been covered before, but, does Hai know if all this is true, or is it a hoax or a fake, or a major major coincidence?
Hai: No, no, this is coincidence. I tell you if you take any book you wish to choose and you create a code, create a formula, which you will apply to the book, you will come up with something. You can work from code to create meaning of anything.
A group member asked if the authors believed it to be true?
Hai: Yes, they do believe it’s true. There are many who believe that such things are true. For example there are those who take astrology too far and believe all manner of things connected with astrology. There is a grain of truth in astrology perhaps, but you can take it too far.
Someone commented about the recent story in a newspaper about the visions of Mary at Medjugorje and said:
Q: It has been said that when the children have received all ten prophesies it will be Armageddon. Is there any truth in the prophecy, Hai?
Hai: No, no Armageddon. The children have seen someone. They have seen the manifestation of whom you would call "Virgin Mary". But you must not interpret this too literally.
Q: One prophecy is that the downfall of the Catholic Church will occur.
Hai: (Hai smiled and shook his head). Whatever man makes will be torn asunder. Whatever is built up will be struck down by lightning; by whatever. Nothing lasts forever, whether it be bricks and mortar, or whether it be one of your institutions. Nothing lasts forever. Can you point to anything that existed five thousand years ago which is still standing? No. Can you point to anything from your time that you can confidently say will be standing still in five thousand years? No. So everything changes. But human nature, human heart, remains the same. Though it evolves, it remains the same. So it is no significant prophesy to say the Catholic Church will crumble. All things change. It is only mankind who likes to think they will not change. Yes.
You have your modern-day empires, yes? They know that other empires from the past have long gone, but they think: "Ah, but perhaps it will be different with our empire." There have been stronger, more durable empires than any which exist today, which have crumbled; gone the way of the dust. So it is.
Q: They have marked the death of the current pope as being the start of these prophesies.
Hai: (Hai smiled and shook his head). When the poor man dies he will have died.
Q: Why is there an incredible feeling of peace on the sites where the Virgin Mary is supposed to have manifest? Is it because the people expect it to be so?
Hai: The feeling of peace is brought about by the faith of the people, the visitations of the people. Because as you say you associate a particular thing with a particular place. It creates an aura, a feeling, a vibration, which you then project onto it. You will feel therefore more peaceful, safer in this place.
Q: You referred to the children seeing the divine essence, which we know of, as the "Virgin Mary". Who then is this divine essence? Can you expand on that please?
Hai: There are spirits who will manifest in this way in order to connect with them.
Q: Is this essence highly evolved?
Hai: It is benevolent. It is seeking to communicate, to educate. Therefore it is not useful to mull over too much where this essence comes from, but rather, as with us, listen to the message and decide what you wish, what you think about it.
Q: We don't know what the messages are.
Hai: Yes. well you must be careful if you don't know what the messages are.(Laughter). If you met someone who said to you: "I have got a message for you but I've locked it up in this casket and I will reveal it to you later", you would be kept in anticipation and uncertainty.
Q: Did the essence appear in that way because the children were in a Catholic country and would accept the entity?
Hai: It is a way to connect, yes.
There was a pause and Hai continued:
Hai: If you unleash Armageddon on yourselves, it will be you who have unleashed Armageddon. This is why we speak to you of love; of reaching out across the countries of your world: to generate love between the different societies and between the different peoples. This is not a time in your unfoldment on this planet to draw up bridges, to create wars. It is a time to break down wars, to lower the drawbridges, that there may be flowing communication. Therefore this is important.
Q: Is that why in recent times the momentum has been for events like the Berlin wall to come down?
Hai: You have reached a time when you know that such things must go, must pass, but it was a natural event and it had come to the time for it. It is not that there are special influences at work anymore than usual. It is partly that the spiritual influences are at work anyway, but the time of the history of this Berlin wall, for instance, was due to finish and to become nothing. Therefore it is the same with other things, as we have said often before. It is like, we work together, you and we. You work in your direction. We work to help you from our direction. And we hope that our efforts come to fruition in the middle.
Q: What do you think about the wall that is being built in Israel?
Hai: This is an anathema. It is anathema. How can you get to know each other when you face a wall that you cannot see through to see each other? They must find a way of living that does not involve fighting. They must find this way, they must find it quickly.